A aviation & planes forum. AviationBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AviationBanter forum » rec.aviation newsgroups » Owning
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Philosophical question on owning & IFR rating



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old August 29th 04, 10:04 PM
Steven Barnes
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
om...
CriticalMass wrote in message

...
Bob Miller wrote:
OK, I'll bite again:

Databases: Current databases are not an IFR requirement. If you like
that panel candy 430/530/CNX80, great; but don't use the cost as an
excuse. KNS80 and a Garmin 196 do not need regular updating. Update
your handheld 1x per year: $50.


"current databases are not an IFR requirement". Thankyou. I know.
But, in the off-chance you want to actually USE them, it is. Does the
phrase "legal" ring any bells?


It sounds like you're assuming you need an IFR GPS for approaches.
I'm suggesting using the GPS for backup xc navigation and using
VOR/ADF/RNAV/DME/ILS approaches. Your charts must be up to date and
you need to check for NOTAMS and TFRs before flying. Why does a VFR
GPS need to be updated, and as someone pointed out, keeping them
updated is not all that expensive. I looked up the update cost on the
196 - $35. Have an old panel mounted Trimble GPS useful for slaving
the A/P to. Annual update cost $0.

The "cost I use as an excuse" is the cost to update what I have
installed in my airplane. The cost to keep my Garmin 155XL db current
is MUCH more than the costs to update the VFR only handhelds you quote,
and I'll USE that as a component of my "excuse" - thanks.

Charts: $300 per year from Aircharts


I keep the "Aircharts Atlas" current, in my plane, to stay legal. IFR
currency would entail more cost.


OK, I looked up my Airchart cost from May. Entire US, both VFR
sectional style atlases, all approach plates and all updates. $400.
I assume you could get part of the country for $300. Knowing I am set
for IFR chart legality - priceless.

Plane: $150 every other year for pitot static check. I can check my
backup vacuum prior to T/O.


OK. Good for you. Hope all your stuff keeps working, "prior to T/O".


I'm not sure what the snipe here is about???

What you conveniently choose to overlook in your pie-in-the-sky
"analysis" of the costs to fly IFR is those pesky instrument failures -
when your altimeter fails the biennial test, and you need a
new/overhauled one. Not included in your "$150/yr" test, and it
happens, not infrequently.


I live near and fly around class B's a lot. Having an accurate
altimeter is important to me and not something I consider to be an
incremental cost of IFR capability, so no, I'm not including that.
(However, in 4 years, I've never had anything but the inspection fee)

Overall, $500 per year is a pittance compared to the overhead required
to maintain the plane.


I think I'll depart this discussion given that you've chosen to define
what constitutes a "pittance", which is a relative term.


All the flights kept, time and stress saved knowing that I can launch
in MVFR conditions, can easily pick up IFR on the way....I'll not get
into quantifying that here again. But from a cost standpoint for a
high performance single (Mooney) my costs are something like:


[snip]

I just got my rating one week ago. I got to put it to use in one of those
little single engine airplanes. Flew from Springfield, IL up to Iowa City
for the fly-in. SPI was OVC 1,000 & didn't lift for a few hours. About 30
miles en-route, we were VFR conditions but stayed IFR up until the approach
just for experience. If I didn't have the rating, we would have missed the
show.
For a 3 hour round trip, only .3 of actual. Still, well worth it. *That's*
the kind of IFR flying our little single engine planes are made for.
Already I'm glad I got the rating.


 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Instrument Rating Checkride PASSED (Very Long) Alan Pendley Instrument Flight Rules 24 December 16th 04 02:16 PM
Get your Glider Rating - Texas Burt Compton Aviation Marketplace 0 December 1st 04 04:57 PM
"I Want To FLY!"-(Youth) My store to raise funds for flying lessons Curtl33 General Aviation 7 January 9th 04 11:35 PM
Question about Question 4488 [email protected] Instrument Flight Rules 3 October 27th 03 01:26 AM
Enlisted pilots John Randolph Naval Aviation 41 July 21st 03 02:11 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:22 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2025 AviationBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.