FAA violations and accidents

"Dude" wrote in message ...
Well, I have never heard of anyone being held on the field at a Pace event.
If that were to happen, then we should all hear about it, and find out who
got fired.

OTOH, the FAA is the FAA. I suspect that your example is misleading,
because that type of plane is exactly what they want to fix. If a plane was
seriously dangerous due to physical imperfection, rather than log problems,
I suppose someone might get strongly pressured to not fly it out. But it
would have to be an obvious hazard that no reasonable pilot would want to
ignore.

If your example were real, the program would end up being a joke.



"John Galban" wrote in message
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"Dude" wrote in message
...

These events are held regularly, and allow you to bring your plane and
log
books to the field for an audit and inspection with no risk of being
fined
or cited. Sort of like an amnesty program. And, it's free.

Sounds great, but... The risk is not being fined or cited, the risk
is that you'll never be able to fly your plane home after the audit.
It's quite possible that a nitpicky inspector could ground your
airplane because of ancient paperwork issues (not safety related ones,
either). As far as I'm concerned, this program is like taking your
last 5 years of financial data to the IRS and asking them if they can
find a violation. Do you really want to open that can of worms?

When they say, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help",
you're not supposed to take 'em seriously :-)

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)


Well here's a data point from someone who has actually *participated*
in a PACE program:

The "inspectors" were just 'civilian' a/c owners (volunteers) with
30 yrs. in light civil a/c. The FAA guys hung out at the main hangar
with some exhibits as well coffee and donuts far from the
"inspections". The head of our FSDO is well respected in the
community as a straight shooter. I doubt he or his team got paid
extra to come out that Saturday. I learned a few things and thought
it was a great program.

Bob Miller
'65 M20C

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
om...
"Dude" wrote in message
...
Well, I have never heard of anyone being held on the field at a Pace
event.
If that were to happen, then we should all hear about it, and find out
who
got fired.

OTOH, the FAA is the FAA. I suspect that your example is misleading,
because that type of plane is exactly what they want to fix. If a plane
was
seriously dangerous due to physical imperfection, rather than log
problems,
I suppose someone might get strongly pressured to not fly it out. But
it
would have to be an obvious hazard that no reasonable pilot would want
to
ignore.

If your example were real, the program would end up being a joke.



"John Galban" wrote in message
om...
"Dude" wrote in message
...

These events are held regularly, and allow you to bring your plane
and
log
books to the field for an audit and inspection with no risk of being
fined
or cited. Sort of like an amnesty program. And, it's free.

Sounds great, but... The risk is not being fined or cited, the risk
is that you'll never be able to fly your plane home after the audit.
It's quite possible that a nitpicky inspector could ground your
airplane because of ancient paperwork issues (not safety related ones,
either). As far as I'm concerned, this program is like taking your
last 5 years of financial data to the IRS and asking them if they can
find a violation. Do you really want to open that can of worms?

When they say, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help",
you're not supposed to take 'em seriously :-)

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)


Well here's a data point from someone who has actually *participated*
in a PACE program:

The "inspectors" were just 'civilian' a/c owners (volunteers) with
30 yrs. in light civil a/c. The FAA guys hung out at the main hangar
with some exhibits as well coffee and donuts far from the
"inspections". The head of our FSDO is well respected in the
community as a straight shooter. I doubt he or his team got paid
extra to come out that Saturday. I learned a few things and thought
it was a great program.

Bob Miller
'65 M20C

So you are saying the people doing the inspections weren't even A&Ps and the
FAA guys sat around drinking coffee and eating donuts. I don't get it. How
can this be a great program?

It's looking once again like the different parts of the country are
experiencing differences in the FAA's approach.

We had FAA doing the books, as well as the planes. However, the plane
inspection was also being used as an exercise for some of the FAA guys to
learn from the others.


"Bob Miller" wrote in message
om...
"Dude" wrote in message
...
Well, I have never heard of anyone being held on the field at a Pace
event.
If that were to happen, then we should all hear about it, and find out
who
got fired.

OTOH, the FAA is the FAA. I suspect that your example is misleading,
because that type of plane is exactly what they want to fix. If a plane
was
seriously dangerous due to physical imperfection, rather than log
problems,
I suppose someone might get strongly pressured to not fly it out. But it
would have to be an obvious hazard that no reasonable pilot would want to
ignore.

If your example were real, the program would end up being a joke.



"John Galban" wrote in message
om...
"Dude" wrote in message
...

These events are held regularly, and allow you to bring your plane and
log
books to the field for an audit and inspection with no risk of being
fined
or cited. Sort of like an amnesty program. And, it's free.

Sounds great, but... The risk is not being fined or cited, the risk
is that you'll never be able to fly your plane home after the audit.
It's quite possible that a nitpicky inspector could ground your
airplane because of ancient paperwork issues (not safety related ones,
either). As far as I'm concerned, this program is like taking your
last 5 years of financial data to the IRS and asking them if they can
find a violation. Do you really want to open that can of worms?

When they say, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help",
you're not supposed to take 'em seriously :-)

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)


Well here's a data point from someone who has actually *participated*
in a PACE program:

The "inspectors" were just 'civilian' a/c owners (volunteers) with
30 yrs. in light civil a/c. The FAA guys hung out at the main hangar
with some exhibits as well coffee and donuts far from the
"inspections". The head of our FSDO is well respected in the
community as a straight shooter. I doubt he or his team got paid
extra to come out that Saturday. I learned a few things and thought
it was a great program.

Bob Miller
'65 M20C