I want to buy a plane by year-end but they're not making it easy.

Matt Barrow wrote:

I take that a bit further and tell them I'll let them "go talk to my sales
manager" only ONCE after which I'll walk out the front door.

Actually I let them go as many times as they want...but I usually have an
idea of what a fair price is for the both of us and won't deal with their
counter offers. Usually after the second trip they agree to my price.

And I never trade anything in anyhow. I have the propensity to drive the
cars into the ground so they aren't worth bothering with (one day I pointed
to by beater 20 year old car when they asked about trades, they would have
been better off if they didn't have to have it towed off their lot).

Ron Natalie wrote:

Matt Barrow wrote:

I take that a bit further and tell them I'll let them "go talk to my
sales
manager" only ONCE after which I'll walk out the front door.

Actually I let them go as many times as they want...but I usually have an
idea of what a fair price is for the both of us and won't deal with their
counter offers. Usually after the second trip they agree to my price.

Yes, same here. I figure time is on my side, not theirs. The more time
we all take, the better it comes out for me. I once spent 5 WEEKS
negotiating for a car. I got it for my price in the end and even got a
call from the owner of the dealership to finalize the deal.


And I never trade anything in anyhow. I have the propensity to drive the
cars into the ground so they aren't worth bothering with (one day I pointed
to by beater 20 year old car when they asked about trades, they would have
been better off if they didn't have to have it towed off their lot).

Yes, another good strategy if saving money is your goal.


Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

Yes, same here. I figure time is on my side, not theirs. The more time
we all take, the better it comes out for me. I once spent 5 WEEKS
negotiating for a car. I got it for my price in the end and even got a
call from the owner of the dealership to finalize the deal.

We just bought a new 2004 Sienna this year. We drive cars 10 plus years, so
buying new makes sense.

I did the www.fightingchance.com thing where you have all the invoice info
and you contact dealers within a couple of hours driving distance, about 3
days before the end of the month. I spent a good part of a day on the phone
as dealers called in trying to beat each other. Keep in mind that this was a
very hot car and there were almost none on dealers lots. About half of the
dealers never called me back, but that left me 12 dealers to deal with.

It soon came apparent that only a couple of dealers actually had a van on
the lot. And the funny thing was that multiple dealers were trying to sell
the same van. I learned a lot from the experience. Dealers regularly trade
cars with each other and create a sort of "virtual" car lot.

By the end of the day, I paid invoice price for the new van. The dealer used
the holdback and doc fee to cover his costs and make some money. The next
day after I got off of work, they even sent a driver to pick me up and drive
me 1.5 hours to the dealership to finish the deal. They did this because
they HAD to get me in there before the close of business since it was the
last day of the month and the wife was out of town. I walked in, handed them
a check, signed a couple of things and drove it home.

Yet another way to buy a car. It worked as advertised.

-Trent
PP-ASEL

Trent Moorehead wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...


Yes, same here. I figure time is on my side, not theirs. The more time
we all take, the better it comes out for me. I once spent 5 WEEKS
negotiating for a car. I got it for my price in the end and even got a
call from the owner of the dealership to finalize the deal.


We just bought a new 2004 Sienna this year. We drive cars 10 plus years, so
buying new makes sense.

It doesn't make financial sense. It makes sense if you value new cars
more than you value your money. :-)


I did the www.fightingchance.com thing where you have all the invoice info
and you contact dealers within a couple of hours driving distance, about 3
days before the end of the month. I spent a good part of a day on the phone
as dealers called in trying to beat each other. Keep in mind that this was a
very hot car and there were almost none on dealers lots. About half of the
dealers never called me back, but that left me 12 dealers to deal with.

Never tried that, but I'll have to check it out.


It soon came apparent that only a couple of dealers actually had a van on
the lot. And the funny thing was that multiple dealers were trying to sell
the same van. I learned a lot from the experience. Dealers regularly trade
cars with each other and create a sort of "virtual" car lot.

Yes, they play all sorts of games.


By the end of the day, I paid invoice price for the new van. The dealer used
the holdback and doc fee to cover his costs and make some money. The next
day after I got off of work, they even sent a driver to pick me up and drive
me 1.5 hours to the dealership to finish the deal. They did this because
they HAD to get me in there before the close of business since it was the
last day of the month and the wife was out of town. I walked in, handed them
a check, signed a couple of things and drove it home.

That's not bad for a Toyota, but the Toyota invoice is still pretty steep.


Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

We just bought a new 2004 Sienna this year. We drive cars 10 plus years,
so
buying new makes sense.

It doesn't make financial sense. It makes sense if you value new cars
more than you value your money. :-)

Well, I should have said that buying new made sense for us in THIS
situation. It doesn't always make sense and certainly buying used is more
often a smarter course of action financially speaking. We plan for this
vehicle to be our family truckster for the next 10 plus years, so it seemed
worth it this time around.

-Trent
PP-ASEL

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
...

And I never trade anything in anyhow. I have the propensity to drive the
cars into the ground so they aren't worth bothering with (one day I
pointed
to by beater 20 year old car when they asked about trades, they would have
been better off if they didn't have to have it towed off their lot).

One of my next-door neighbors was buying a new car and made a deal to trade
in a real bomber for a $500 credit. They had everything signed but the
dealer needed a day to condition the car, so he told my neighbor to keep his
car and drive back the next day. On the way in, the thing died. He called
from his cell phone and told the dealer to send their tow truck out. The
salesman who made the deal apparently took quite a ribbing as the tow truck
pulled his trade-in onto the lot.

-cwk.

Colin W Kingsbury wrote:


One of my next-door neighbors was buying a new car and made a deal to trade
in a real bomber for a $500 credit. They had everything signed but the
dealer needed a day to condition the car, so he told my neighbor to keep his
car and drive back the next day. On the way in, the thing died. He called
from his cell phone and told the dealer to send their tow truck out. The
salesman who made the deal apparently took quite a ribbing as the tow truck
pulled his trade-in onto the lot.

I actually towed my 1967 Ford LTD into the lot when I picked up my 1980
Datsun 200SX. I had initially shopped for the car with my roommate giving
me a lift since the LTD was already running intermittently. I told them
of it's condition but they were keen to make the deal. If they were smart
the salesman would have paid the tow truck driver to haul it to the dump rather
than accepting it...I don't know...I was long gone in my new car before the
tow truck got the trade in off the hook.