sold 310 -- now what?

Denny wrote:

When you fly in a Great Lakes icer that is layering an inch a minute of
impact ice on the airframe, I don't care what you are flying, you are
gonna die...

It depends on how many minutes you stay there. I got into ice on the
lee side of Lake Erie several years ago in my Skylane. I picked up 1-2"
of ice in less than 5 minutes, but luckily a descent got be into lighter
icing and I was able to continue on to Elmira.

Shedding the ice on the approach was really interesting. I thought I'd
lost the tail after the windshield shed its load all at once. However,
post-flight inspection showed no damage of note.

I'm amazed at how much ice a Skylane will carry and still fly. I was at
full throttle (with the carb heat on as the intake iced over almost
instantly), flying at the top of the white arc and descending at 200
FPM, but the old girl flew fine and carried the ice for nearly an hour
until I descended into the warmer air on the approach.


Matt

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 18:43:09 -0500, Matt Whiting
wrote:


I'm amazed at how much ice a Skylane will carry and still fly. I was at
full throttle (with the carb heat on as the intake iced over almost
instantly), flying at the top of the white arc and descending at 200
FPM, but the old girl flew fine and carried the ice for nearly an hour
until I descended into the warmer air on the approach.

That reminds me of a flight I made when I was taking instrument
training (which I wasn't able to finish, lost my job) way back when.

We flew a 1892RG from San Jose (KSJC) to Reno (KRNO), through a storm.
We were picking up ice over the Sierra. There was ice all over the
place, and the plane was slowing down. As we descended into Reno, ice
was slushing off the plane. After we landed, big sheets were plopping
off. Looking back, we were lucky it was warmer in Reno.
John Szpara
Affordable Satellite
Fiero Owner 2-84 Indy Pace cars, 86 Coupe, 88 Formula 3.4, 88 Coupe, 88GT

I have a Baron with the known-ice TKS installation (non Known Ice
installation was not available as an option)

The stuff works as advertised- you simply do not accumulate ice, although I
had an encounter near Lake Michigan where the windshield iced over
completely. Even with the spray bar and max defroster it still picked up ice
and got covered. I was thinking about how to land the Baron like a tail
dragger by using peripheral vision and looking out the sides, but the ice
fell off and I was able to see fine.

Without the deice equipment I would have been in big trouble. The known ice
certification includes redundant pumps on the wings and windshield, and
requires a heated pitot and stall warning vane, along with an ice light. It
works great, but in my opinion is not a good reason to go droning along in
icing conditions for hours at a time. Rather, it gives you more time to
consider options like climbing, turning, descending, or otherwise leaving
the icing conditions.

Overall, it has really expanded the comfort level for using my plane in the
winter, particularly living on Lake Michigan, which I would never cross
unless I was in a twin or a kerosene burner and had ice protection.
"Peter MacPherson" wrote in message
newsHACd.848205$8_6.586133@attbi_s04...
Their website shows that at least the Baron, 210 and Caravan can
be certified for known ice. There's probably others.

http://www.flightice.com/contact.html



"Nathan Young" wrote in message
...
On 4 Jan 2005 07:15:18 -0800, "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:

In general, I'd try to stick with TKS deicing system. Boots are always
troublesome because they can leak and only protect a very small amount
of the wing at the leading edge. The TKS system drips deicing fluid all
the way down the wing. There are several known-ice certified TKS
installations.

Do any of the aftermarket TKS installs have K-Ice approval? Last time
I checked (a while ago) they did not, which is a shame, because every
pilot I have talked to that has flown with TKS says the ice buildup is
non-existent and way better than boots.

"Viperdoc" wrote in message
...
I have a Baron with the known-ice TKS installation (non Known Ice
installation was not available as an option)

[snip]

Overall, it has really expanded the comfort level for using my plane in
the
winter, particularly living on Lake Michigan, which I would never cross
unless I was in a twin or a kerosene burner and had ice protection.

Indeed!! Same here "down in the valley...the valley so low..." in the heart
of the rockies. Fortunetely, our work tapers off during the worst months of
the year.

Didn't have anti-ice on our Baron , but we damn sure will have it on the
next aircraft. And right now it's 99 sure it's going to be a kerosene
burner. :~)


Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

Nathan Young wrote:
On 4 Jan 2005 07:15:18 -0800, "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:

In general, I'd try to stick with TKS deicing system. Boots are
always
troublesome because they can leak and only protect a very small
amount
of the wing at the leading edge. The TKS system drips deicing fluid
all
the way down the wing. There are several known-ice certified TKS
installations.

Do any of the aftermarket TKS installs have K-Ice approval? Last
time
I checked (a while ago) they did not, which is a shame, because every
pilot I have talked to that has flown with TKS says the ice buildup
is
non-existent and way better than boots.

Mooneys with the TKS system installed by Mooney in the factory are
certified known ice. If you have TKS install the system later, its not
known-ice.

-Robert