Reported by CNN this morning!!!!!

On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:12:34 GMT, Dave S wrote:

Maybe NOW the feds can push through some MEANINGFUL crew rest and duty
time limitations. Whats scary is riding in the back in a 135 op and
looking up to find BOTH of them guys nodding off... its happened more
than once.

Dave PPSEL

Toks Desalu wrote:

Guys!
You could not believe what I saw on CNN before I left for work. I missed
the beginning of the segment, but I understood the whole story. A passenger
was fliming during the flight. That film was showing on CNN. The pilot got
caught sleeping while flying. The pilot did not wear the headset. I noticed
that he was wearing a ear plug. You could see his head tilt backward with
his left eye closed. The passenger claimed that he was filming him sleeping
for about one hour. At the end of segment, the CNN went to FAA for comments
and the FAA claimed that it was against the regulation. FAA claimed that the

I think they must have misrepresented it to the FAA. I don't think
it's against the rules for one to take a nap while the other
flys..then again.


pilot must be awake and his must be on the control at all the time. There is

The pilot can not be on the controls when the copilot is operating as
PIC.

no way to tell what kind of aircraft but, it was pretty clear that it is
under general aviation, a high wing with mulit-engine(propeller) aircraft.
Also, because of pilot's uniform, and other passengers, it indicated that it
is under part 121 operation. But, I could be wrong. I have no idea where the
flight was but the reporter said he/she was reporting from West Palm Beach,
Florida.
Here my questions:
Can you believe this?

I studied regulation back in college and don't remember any specific
regulation that said the hand must be at control at all time. Anybody can
point it out?

If it is, virtually every pilot I know has been violating...what if he
has to take a pee? I think some one over reacted.

Why they really want to make us look bad?
Feel free to comment on this.

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)


Toks
PP_ASEL

Roger Halstead wrote
The pilot can not be on the controls when the copilot is
operating as PIC.

This would have been a lot more correct if Roger had said
"when the copilot is flying the airplane". The PIC is the
PIC period.
Often, the PIC will perform the duties of a copilot and the
SIC will perform the duties of a pilot. More recent airline
terminology is "pilot flying" and "pilot not flying".

Bob Moore

On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:15:02 GMT, Robert Moore
wrote:

Roger Halstead wrote
The pilot can not be on the controls when the copilot is
operating as PIC.

This would have been a lot more correct if Roger had said
"when the copilot is flying the airplane". The PIC is the
PIC period.

I got to thinking about that right after hitting the send key. :-))

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)
Often, the PIC will perform the duties of a copilot and the
SIC will perform the duties of a pilot. More recent airline
terminology is "pilot flying" and "pilot not flying".

Bob Moore