C172S Landing accident

The poster to whom you responded asked if the student was specifically
trained about porpoising. IN HIS OWN POST he says that "the topic of
porpoising wasn't even mentioned to" him during his entire training
process, implying that he believes that some discussion of porpoising might
have qualified as training even if one was never demonstrated. In fact, it
is strongly implied that he was not trained in dealing with a bounce
either, because he describes his third bounce down the runway when he
remembered a cartoon that helped him recognize his iminent stall situation
and add power.

Secondly, if the student was properly trained to handle a bounce, as you
say, then by your own definition he would not have porpoised down the
runway and destroyed a perfectly good $170,000 airplane!

IMHO training involves education, not necessarily by actual demonstration.
For example, I learned to fly in a non-spin-rated aircraft, so performing a
spin was not permitted. Yet I still was educated and trained on how to
avoid, and if necessary, recover from a spin.

By your definition, I did not receive "real" spin training. For that
matter, I did not receive "real training" in several other techniques, such
as basic instrument flying, short-field landings, soft-field landings, or
flying partial panel. I did not receive "real training" in detecting ice,
dealing with Pitot-Static system problems, or carb ice. Heck - for that
matter, I did not receive "real" training in Emergency Landing Procedures -
because it was all simulated.

In any event, it is all semantics. The Original Poster's question was
actually whether students should be allowed to solo in $170,000 airplanes.
And I think you and I both agree that the answer is "only if they are
properly educated." And from your last comment, it seems that we would both
agree that "REAL Porpoise Training" is probably not a requirement for being
properly educated to solo in a $170,000 airplane.

But I DO believe that proper education on preventing with and dealing with
bounces and porpoises is... Whatever you want to call that is fine with me.


Greg Esres wrote in
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I had some very specific discussions about adding power during a
bounce to avoid porpoising down the runway.

Certainly the students have had training to handle bounces. If this
is properly handled, they'll never see porpoising.

The original poster regarding "porpoising training" asked about
"training", and I don't consider mentioning porpoising to be
"training."

To be real training, the instructor would have to set up a porpoising
event and then turn the aircraft over to the student. I'll have to
think about whether that's a real good idea...... :-)

the topic of porpoising wasn't even mentioned to" him during his
entire training process


Which may, or may not, be true. Student pilots have lots and lots to
learn, and unless an item of knowledge is imparted multiple times by
the instructor, it's not likely to be retained.

What's the Chinese proverb: I hear and I forget, I see and I
remember, I do and I understand.

The vast majority of study that is not constantly reinforced by flight
activities is forgotten by most pilots.