How much does a CFI make?

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"gatt" wrote:

I guess this begs the question, how in hell do they pay their bills?

I lived with my parents for the two years that I was instructing.
Others I knew were married and their wives who also had an income.

How long do they have to do that in order to start making decent money?

It took me two years. But that was 1998. These days, I'd say it will
take twice that, if not longer.

--
Larry Fransson
Aviation software for Mac OS X!
http://www.subcritical.com

"Larry Fransson" wrote in message
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I guess this begs the question, how in hell do they pay their bills?

I lived with my parents for the two years that I was instructing.
Others I knew were married and their wives who also had an income.

How long do they have to do that in order to start making decent money?

Thanks for the information, Larry. Currently I'm starting the
IFR/ME/Commercial/CFI/CFII path and taking Cisco and Novell certification
courses (fallback) concurrently. Already have my private and a four-year
degree.

What torques me is that every career-oriented site talks about how much
money you make as an airline captain. I don't think I'd even -want- to do
that, but there isn't much info out there about other non-ATP flying jobs.

I did a P-38 video shoot with Jeff Ethell right before he died. Now, that
guy had the coolest flying job this side of the Collins Foundation pilots.

-c

In article ,
"gatt" wrote:

What torques me is that every career-oriented site talks about how much
money you make as an airline captain. I don't think I'd even -want- to do
that, but there isn't much info out there about other non-ATP flying jobs.

What's even better is that those big salary numbers are going to start
shrinking very soon. They already have, actually. It was well
publicized that United pilots took a major pay cut. Another major
airline recently asked its pilots for a 23% pay cut across the board
along with a few other things. That was rejected out of hand, of
course, but that's the direction things are going. If Richard Branson's
proposed discount airline gets off the ground, it certainly won't get
any better.

I'd also like to know where Kit Darby (Air, Inc. - aka www.jet-jobs.com)
is getting his information. He's putting ads out there saying that
hundreds of airlines are looking to hire 7000+ pilots in 2003. I'm not
sure I see that, but whatever.

There are plenty of non-airline jobs out there. You just have to get to
know people and keep your ears open. That's how I got my current job,
and I have a line on another that might be an interesting move up. A
lot of those jobs are being held by out of work airline pilots, though.
Our two most recent hires were furloughed by United and American.
They'll be with us for at least two if not three years.

--
Larry Fransson
Aviation software for Mac OS X!
http://www.subcritical.com

"Larry Fransson" wrote in message
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I'd also like to know where Kit Darby (Air, Inc. - aka www.jet-jobs.com)
is getting his information.

Probably the same place that Monster.com gets theirs. :~)

(According to a WSJ report about 18 months ago, only about 1.1% of jobs are
filled through Monster.com; other are far less. Many jobs are recycled
weekly for over a year and resumes end up in the hands of spammers).

He's putting ads out there saying that
hundreds of airlines are looking to hire 7000+ pilots in 2003. I'm not
sure I see that, but whatever.

Sounds like Darby is a "Legend In His Own Mind".

Tom

"Tom S." wrote in message ...
"Larry Fransson" wrote in message
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I'd also like to know where Kit Darby (Air, Inc. - aka www.jet-jobs.com)
is getting his information.

Probably the same place that Monster.com gets theirs. :~)

(According to a WSJ report about 18 months ago, only about 1.1% of jobs are
filled through Monster.com; other are far less. Many jobs are recycled
weekly for over a year and resumes end up in the hands of spammers).

He's putting ads out there saying that
hundreds of airlines are looking to hire 7000+ pilots in 2003. I'm not
sure I see that, but whatever.

Sounds like Darby is a "Legend In His Own Mind".

Tom


Sorry to get off topic, but this is VERY true about Monster. I know
for a fact that many employers use Monster to advertise a job when
they know they will never fill that positon. The reason (again this
is first hand info) is they have someone on the inside of the company
applying for the position but to satisify some legal rule they must
offer it to "outsiders" first.

A more comon reason the company i work for uses Monster is to get a
green card for non-american. In order for them to get a green card
and work in the US, they have to prove that they are not taking a job
away from a qualified american worker. So they advertise the job on
Monster with an add reading somthing like, "...needing 10 years
programming experience in c, c++, Basic, Fortran, Cobal, Pascal with 5
years project management experience while working with some no named
programming language...". Basicially, whenever you read a job add that
makes you say "Who would EVER have that combination of experience",
it's a job they are trying to justify to give to someone they already
have hired.

Again, sorry to get off topic.. Oh and yes, Monster is a place to get
good e-mail addresses for SPAM!

"Mark" wrote in message
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"Tom S." wrote in message
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"Larry Fransson" wrote in message
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I'd also like to know where Kit Darby (Air, Inc. - aka
www.jet-jobs.com)
is getting his information.

Probably the same place that Monster.com gets theirs. :~)

(According to a WSJ report about 18 months ago, only about 1.1% of jobs
are
filled through Monster.com; other are far less. Many jobs are recycled
weekly for over a year and resumes end up in the hands of spammers).

He's putting ads out there saying that
hundreds of airlines are looking to hire 7000+ pilots in 2003. I'm
not
sure I see that, but whatever.

Sounds like Darby is a "Legend In His Own Mind".

Tom


Sorry to get off topic, but this is VERY true about Monster.

Since the sub-tpoic was "web sites for piloting jobs", I'd say that
corelations to job sites in general is right on topic....but that's just me.

I know
for a fact that many employers use Monster to advertise a job when
they know they will never fill that positon. The reason (again this
is first hand info) is they have someone on the inside of the company
applying for the position but to satisify some legal rule they must
offer it to "outsiders" first.

And many are "window shopping" to see how much they can get away with.


A more comon reason the company i work for uses Monster is to get a
green card for non-american. In order for them to get a green card
and work in the US, they have to prove that they are not taking a job
away from a qualified american worker. So they advertise the job on
Monster with an add reading somthing like, "...needing 10 years
programming experience in c, c++, Basic, Fortran, Cobal, Pascal with 5
years project management experience while working with some no named
programming language...". Basicially, whenever you read a job add that
makes you say "Who would EVER have that combination of experience",
it's a job they are trying to justify to give to someone they already
have hired.

Or want to hire.

Same thing with pilots.

Again, sorry to get off topic.. Oh and yes, Monster is a place to get
good e-mail addresses for SPAM!

Mark wrote:

Sorry to get off topic, but this is VERY true about Monster.

Can you recommend a better job-finder?

George Patterson
Brute force has an elegance all its own.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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Mark wrote:

Sorry to get off topic, but this is VERY true about Monster.

Can you recommend a better job-finder?

Any board whose list is only 95% bogus, instead of 98%.