USAF = US Amphetamine Fools

RT

There are some good blokes in Au land. Your certainly not one of them.
I wonder if you are even a 'bloke"?

Go back to the pub and bend your elbow so you can get the full blown
national disease.

Big John


On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:03:09 +1000, "RT" wrote:

Following an investigative teev program it appears US military pilots are
unable to stay awake for more than a few minutes after t/o so are regularly
dosed to the eyeballs on speed (Dexadrine/amphetamine).

This has the somewhat embarrassing side effect of giving them the total lack
of discriminination between their buddies and 'Ole Nick' himself,
unsurprisingly leading to mulltiple brassing up of assorted
colleagues/allies (aka "friendly fire") - accompanied by the entirely
unsurprising: "Huh? Whadded I do?" when being advised they'd just taken out
a few dozen allies........

Lissen you lot. The Cold War is finished. If you are too terrified to fly
military aircraft without being spaced out, subcontract the job to the
Russians, eh?

Hmmmm - or maybe ultralight pilots.

And there's no real reason to keep on with the 30% friendly fire losses rule
you initiated in Vietnam.

In the meantime stay well away from our mob so there will be some of us left
to save your sorry arses (asses) again the next time you dozy *******s land
a bunch of choppers in a well known ambush site ( Afghanistan).....

(Ferkin 'ell - allies like this - who needs enemies...... sigh :-(

"Greg Esres" wrote in message
...
the military is not governed by FARs...

Here's a copy from a FAA letter of interpretation:

December 9, 1992
Dr. Dietrich Bahls

Dear Dr. Bahls:

...

You are correct that in the U.S. there is only "one" airspace in which
both civil and military aircraft operate. While in U.S. airspace Part
91 of the Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR) governs the operation of
aircraft, both civilian and military.

No, military compliance with CFR14 is at the US military's discression. A
FAR is a Fedral Acquisition Regulation and is not an FAA regulation.

On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:56:46 -0700, Steve Hix wrote
in Message-Id:
:

Which still doesn't mean that amphetamines are narcotics...they are
not.

Umm... Who said they were?


--

Irrational beliefs ultimately lead to irrational acts.
-- Larry Dighera,

No, military compliance with CFR14 is at the US military's
discression.

Well, you're contradicting the FAA's General Counsel's Office.

By what authority are you able to do that?

"Greg Esres" wrote in message
...
No, military compliance with CFR14 is at the US military's
discression.

Well, you're contradicting the FAA's General Counsel's Office.

FAA's General Counsel has absolutely no authority over the US Military.

By what authority are you able to do that?

The US Constitution, which puts the Military directly under the President,
while US DOT is an extra Contitutional entity; with its authority delegated
by Congresss to the Executive. US DOT is not even a part of the chain of
cammand.

FAA's General Counsel has absolutely no authority over the US
Military.

We're talking about knowledge of the law.

The US Constitution, which puts the Military directly under the
President,

That's silly. Everyone working for the President doesn't have to obey
the law?

FAR 91.1 says that it "prescribes rules governing the operation of
aircraft...within the United States...."

Doesn't say "civil" or "military", so it applies to everyone, unless
the law itself provides the exemption.

Can you provide any supporting evidence at all to justify your
position?

In article ,
Larry Dighera wrote:

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:52:23 GMT, Chad Irby wrote
in Message-Id: :

in the doses used by US airmen, it's more on the level of "lots of
coffee withtout the urination problem."

What dose would that be?

5 mg to 10 mg. Well below the more dangerous doses seen in recreational
users.

Dexedrine is one of the milder amphetamines.

--


Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ...

"Greg Esres" wrote in message
...
the military is not governed by FARs...

Here's a copy from a FAA letter of interpretation:

December 9, 1992
Dr. Dietrich Bahls

Dear Dr. Bahls:

...

You are correct that in the U.S. there is only "one" airspace in which
both civil and military aircraft operate. While in U.S. airspace Part
91 of the Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR) governs the operation of
aircraft, both civilian and military.

No, military compliance with CFR14 is at the US military's discression. A
FAR is a Fedral Acquisition Regulation and is not an FAA regulation.

The FAA, and even the 14CFR itself refers to 14 CFR as the Federal Aviation
Regulations and uses the abbreviation FAR.

"Greg Esres" wrote in message
...
FAA's General Counsel has absolutely no authority over the US
Military.

We're talking about knowledge of the law.

Yes, we are.

The US Constitution, which puts the Military directly under the
President,

That's silly. Everyone working for the President doesn't have to obey
the law?

Congress has no authority to make such a law, so how could delegated
Congrsional authority lead to any such regulatory authority?

FAR 91.1 says that it "prescribes rules governing the operation of
aircraft...within the United States...."

No, a FAR is a Federal Acquisition Regulation and has nothing to do with
airspace.

Doesn't say "civil" or "military", so it applies to everyone, unless
the law itself provides the exemption.

If you mean CFR 14, then that administrative law has only to do with those
individuals and corporations that volentarily submit themselves to FAA's
regulatory authority.

Can you provide any supporting evidence at all to justify your
position?

You have failed to support your position, Greg, or to even know the words.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
...

"Greg Esres" wrote in message
...
the military is not governed by FARs...

Here's a copy from a FAA letter of interpretation:

December 9, 1992
Dr. Dietrich Bahls

Dear Dr. Bahls:

...

You are correct that in the U.S. there is only "one" airspace in which
both civil and military aircraft operate. While in U.S. airspace Part
91 of the Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR) governs the operation of
aircraft, both civilian and military.

No, military compliance with CFR14 is at the US military's discression.
A
FAR is a Fedral Acquisition Regulation and is not an FAA regulation.

The FAA, and even the 14CFR itself refers to 14 CFR as the Federal
Aviation
Regulations and uses the abbreviation FAR.

Not anymore. In consent decree FAA agrees to not use the acronym FAR
anymore.