Landing a warrior

Dan Moos wrote:
Until now. I've recently joined a flying club that has a c182 and a warrior.
My my last 20 or so hours are in the warrior. I bet I 've gotten as few as
5 landings that I'm proud of in that time. Nothing dangerous, just massive
floating, followed by clunking it in with maybe even a bounce or 2. Usually
just one. I'm aware of the inhanced ground effect present in a low-wing
plane. I fly my aproaches at around 65 knots with the second noch of flaps.
I seem to have similar struggles with no and full flaps.

You didn't mention if you are doing power-on or power-off approaches. In
a Warrior, unless you are following other traffic around the pattern,
your approaches should all be power off.

If you are floating, you are too fast.
1.3Vso is fine coming down final, but by the time you get to the runway
threshold, you need to have bled the airspeed off to about five knots
above stall. Holding pitch attitude as the airspeed bleeds off will
allow the aircraft to settle predictably onto the runway. Continue to
hold the nose off the runway until the elevator loses effectiveness
unless you are braking for short field landings. Braking will cause the
nose wheel to slam onto the runway.

You didn't mention if you are doing power-on or power-off approaches. In
a Warrior, unless you are following other traffic around the pattern,
your approaches should all be power off.

???

I don't think I ever landed our Warrior power off, in the 450 hours we put
on her...even on short fields.

Carry a little power into the flare -- you'll be amazed at the greasers you
can pull off!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I always carry a little power in my PA28-140 into the landing, but there are
definitely two schools of thought about this. Whatever side of the debate
you fall on, I think everyone will agree that you should occasionally
practice the power-off variant for the day when murphy is your copilot.

I trained exclusively in C-172's, then transitioned to a rental warrior, as
well as a 182RG, then finally purchased my 140. I had the hardest time
learning to land in the 140! Here's my observations:

- you sit lower in cherokees, this will fool you a few times if you're used
to skyhawks
- with full flaps, the hershey bar cherokees come down like a brick. if
you're going power-off, use a steeper approach.
- i approach between 65 and 70 in my cherokee, whereas skyhawks are quite
comfortable at 60. slower landings in a cherokee with full flaps are hard
to squeak (at least for me). this seems to be a feature of the hershey bar
as I never had this problem in the warrior.
- floating: i actually had more problems floating in the 172 than the
warrior, go figure. in the 140, any floating will come from excess
airspeed. it seems to be easier (for me), to stick in a short landing using
power-off with a steep approach.

For what it's worth, it seems hard to make a great or terrible landing in
the cherokee. Most of my landings are average with the occasional clunker
and the occasional greaser.

mark

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:ZCS_a.146353$YN5.95317@sccrnsc01...
You didn't mention if you are doing power-on or power-off approaches. In
a Warrior, unless you are following other traffic around the pattern,
your approaches should all be power off.

???

I don't think I ever landed our Warrior power off, in the 450 hours we put
on her...even on short fields.

Carry a little power into the flare -- you'll be amazed at the greasers
you
can pull off!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"