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"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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| "Robert Perkins" wrote in message
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| Heartfelt religious conviction.
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| Last I checked, separation of church and state was still the theoretical
| policy in the US. I don't find religious conviction to be a valid
| motivation for lawmaking and in any case, the religiously convicted fall
| smack in the "homophobe" camp. It's exactly this kind of imposition of
one
| person's morality on someone else, this intolerance of someone who's
| different, that is so objectionable.
|

Well, right. For example, if someone derives sexual pleasure from rape,
torture and murder, who are we to judge? Once you are born a thief, perhaps
you cannot help yourself. Are not laws against theft therefore unjust? Why
is it right to discriminate against thieves? Or Republicans? :-)

Peter, can you show even one law on the books that does not attempt to
impose one person's morality on another?

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:16:17 -0700, "C J Campbell"
wrote in Message-Id:
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Well, right. For example, if someone derives sexual pleasure from rape,
torture and murder, who are we to judge? Once you are born a thief, perhaps
you cannot help yourself. Are not laws against theft therefore unjust?


You are comparing acts which deprive an individual of his rights to
life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, with consensual love,
that doesn't infringe on anyone. I know you're more astute than that.


--

Irrational beliefs ultimately lead to irrational acts.
-- Larry Dighera,

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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| On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:16:17 -0700, "C J Campbell"
| wrote in Message-Id:
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| Well, right. For example, if someone derives sexual pleasure from rape,
| torture and murder, who are we to judge? Once you are born a thief,
perhaps
| you cannot help yourself. Are not laws against theft therefore unjust?
|
|
| You are comparing acts which deprive an individual of his rights to
| life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, with consensual love,
| that doesn't infringe on anyone. I know you're more astute than that.
|

Really? Then why am I, as a Mormon, deprived of the right to have more than
one wife? Yet most of the same lunatic fringe that demands homosexual rights
as part of their agenda for tolerance of absolute sexual licentiousness is
equally adamant that I not be allowed to practice my religion.

As for the Boy Scouts, most of them take issue with the notion that
homosexuality is consensual or that it does not infringe on anyone. Many of
the Scout leaders and parents are very concerned about pedophilia -- and
some of the postings by homosexual activists on rec.scouting.usa have done
little to address their concerns, to say the very least. A google search on
postings by an individual calling himself "GrabMyMonkey" will show that
there are indeed some activists who are, at best, using homosexuality as a
cover for their pedophilia.

Rightly or wrongly, the recent experience of the Catholic Church has not
helped matters, either. Homosexuality has been tolerated among Catholic
priests for some time and now, in view of the thousands of assaults against
young men, a lot of people are beginning to question whether that was a wise
policy.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Really? Then why am I, as a Mormon, deprived of the right to have more
than
one wife?

You should not be, IMHO. However, you should also be in favor of laws that
allow a woman to have more than one husband. Anything less would be
hypocritical.

As for the Boy Scouts, most of them take issue with the notion that
homosexuality is consensual or that it does not infringe on anyone.

Those people are ill-informed, and are allowing their fears to color their
judgment.

Many of
the Scout leaders and parents are very concerned about pedophilia

Pedophilia happens with or without homosexuality. The two are not related,
and to persecute all homosexuals because of some pedophiles (gay or
otherwise) is just absurd.

Most murderers are heterosexual. I suppose we shouldn't allow any straight
people to be teachers. After all, would you want your kid to have a
murderer for a teacher?

[...] Homosexuality has been tolerated among Catholic
priests for some time and now, in view of the thousands of assaults
against
young men, a lot of people are beginning to question whether that was a
wise
policy.

Not really. Pedophilia has been tolerated among *certain* Catholic priests
for some time and now, in view of the thousands of assaults against young
men *made public*, a lot of people are beginning to question whether that
was a wise policy.

Pete

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Really? Then why am I, as a Mormon, deprived of the right to have more
than
one wife? Yet most of the same lunatic fringe that demands homosexual
rights
as part of their agenda for tolerance of absolute sexual licentiousness is
equally adamant that I not be allowed to practice my religion.

Actually I, for one, think you should be able to do exactly that. Lived in
Park City and Salt Lake City, BTW, and am very familiar with some of the
Mormon splinter groups - had a polygamous family living next door at one
point in fact. The only problem I have with the polygamy as practiced by
the LDS offshoot sects today is their penchant for keeping the female
children "home schooled" and uneducated and marrying them off at 12 or 14
before they have the mental maturity, educational background, and life
experience to make a truly free and informed choice about their lifestyle.


As for the Boy Scouts, most of them take issue with the notion that
homosexuality is consensual or that it does not infringe on anyone. Many
of
the Scout leaders and parents are very concerned about pedophilia -- and
some of the postings by homosexual activists on rec.scouting.usa have done
little to address their concerns, to say the very least. A google search
on
postings by an individual calling himself "GrabMyMonkey" will show that
there are indeed some activists who are, at best, using homosexuality as a
cover for their pedophilia.

Heterosexual pedophiles vastly outnumber homosexual ones. Interviewed
several authorities from the sex offender unit at the Utah State Prison on
my radio program back in the late 1980's and as I recall they said among the
prison population heterosexual pedophiles outnumbered homosexual ones by
about 4 to 1. But the notion that a homosexual scout leader is going to
sexually assault or seduce those in his charge is in itself based on an
irrational paranoia about homosexuals - there is no more reason to believe
it will happen than it is to believe that a heterosexual Cub Scout denmother
is going to lure the Cubs in her pack into sexual play. Has it happened?
Of course, to both scenarios. Is either one likely to happen? Not very.

Rightly or wrongly, the recent experience of the Catholic Church has not
helped matters, either. Homosexuality has been tolerated among Catholic
priests for some time and now, in view of the thousands of assaults
against
young men, a lot of people are beginning to question whether that was a
wise
policy.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...
Well, right. For example, if someone derives sexual pleasure from rape,
torture and murder, who are we to judge? Once you are born a thief,
perhaps
you cannot help yourself. Are not laws against theft therefore unjust? Why
is it right to discriminate against thieves? Or Republicans? :-)

Peter, can you show even one law on the books that does not attempt to
impose one person's morality on another?

Too bad you didn't read any farther than the first paragraph of my post.
The very first sentence in the second addresses your "concerns".

Pete