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* The BSA should not enjoy preferential treatment or be granted any
sort
of government support. As a private organization, they should be
self-sufficient if they wish to discriminate.

This argument was used against the Scouts here in Iowa City, and has
resulted in them being charged the "corporate rate" for using the schools
when they want to hold a meeting or function. Of course, this price is
impossibly high, and has resulted in the Scouts being driven out of the
schools.

Strangely enough, the Scouts presented a cost-benefit analysis to the School
Board during the debate, proving that for every penny the City "spent" on
the Scouts (by letting them use the schools for cheap) they received back
five-fold in donated work, landscaping done for "Eagle Scout" projects, etc.
The city actually *profited* from the Scouts, because they did work that the
school district would otherwise have to buy.

This argument did not sway the gay community, and the Scouts were
effectively banned.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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This argument was used against the Scouts here in Iowa City, and has
resulted in them being charged the "corporate rate" for using the schools
when they want to hold a meeting or function. Of course, this price is
impossibly high, and has resulted in the Scouts being driven out of the
schools.

Strangely enough, the Scouts presented a cost-benefit analysis to the
School
Board during the debate, proving that for every penny the City "spent" on
the Scouts (by letting them use the schools for cheap) they received back
five-fold in donated work, landscaping done for "Eagle Scout" projects,
etc.
The city actually *profited* from the Scouts, because they did work that
the
school district would otherwise have to buy.

This argument did not sway the gay community, and the Scouts were
effectively banned.


Cogent argument will never sway the gay community.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:%U90b.183507$uu5.35115@sccrnsc04...

This argument was used against the Scouts here in Iowa City, and has
resulted in them being charged the "corporate rate" for using the
schools
when they want to hold a meeting or function. Of course, this price is
impossibly high, and has resulted in the Scouts being driven out of the
schools.

Strangely enough, the Scouts presented a cost-benefit analysis to the
School
Board during the debate, proving that for every penny the City "spent"
on
the Scouts (by letting them use the schools for cheap) they received
back
five-fold in donated work, landscaping done for "Eagle Scout" projects,
etc.
The city actually *profited* from the Scouts, because they did work that
the
school district would otherwise have to buy.

This argument did not sway the gay community, and the Scouts were
effectively banned.


Cogent argument will never sway the gay community.

What a hoot McNicoll. I doubt you even know the definition of cogent. It
is not a valid, forceful, reasoned, cogent argument to say that a
discriminatory group (and the BSA is by admission) should be accorded the
discount rate use of public buildings because they do good deeds for the
people holding the reservations book. It may be fact, but it isn't a sound
argument. If it were, the gays would be out there planting trees and
flowers like crazy and demanding the same benefits. In fact though, as far
as I know, they just demand the same treatment based on legalities.

JB

P.S. I just casually wandered into this thread and found it interesting, if
grossly OT. I have to say though, that for someone with some obvious, at
least to me, intelligence, you've done the best job here of all the posters
of posting inane, shallow, childish responses. For God's sake man, try to
do better. LOL

"Jim Baker" wrote in message
et...

What a hoot McNicoll. I doubt you even know the definition of cogent. It
is not a valid, forceful, reasoned, cogent argument to say that a
discriminatory group (and the BSA is by admission) should be accorded the
discount rate use of public buildings because they do good deeds for the
people holding the reservations book. It may be fact, but it isn't a
sound
argument. If it were, the gays would be out there planting trees and
flowers like crazy and demanding the same benefits. In fact though, as
far
as I know, they just demand the same treatment based on legalities.


I don't believe I've posted anything at all about the BSA or any similar
group.



P.S. I just casually wandered into this thread and found it interesting,
if
grossly OT. I have to say though, that for someone with some obvious, at
least to me, intelligence, you've done the best job here of all the
posters
of posting inane, shallow, childish responses. For God's sake man, try to
do better. LOL


Example?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
k.net...

"Jim Baker" wrote in message
et...

What a hoot McNicoll. I doubt you even know the definition of cogent.
It
is not a valid, forceful, reasoned, cogent argument to say that a
discriminatory group (and the BSA is by admission) should be accorded
the
discount rate use of public buildings because they do good deeds for the
people holding the reservations book. It may be fact, but it isn't a
sound
argument. If it were, the gays would be out there planting trees and
flowers like crazy and demanding the same benefits. In fact though, as
far
as I know, they just demand the same treatment based on legalities.


I don't believe I've posted anything at all about the BSA or any similar
group.

I didn't say you did. I said you made an error in logic and proper word
selection. And, you painted an entire population with the same brush which
is almost never correct.


P.S. I just casually wandered into this thread and found it
interesting,
if
grossly OT. I have to say though, that for someone with some obvious,
at
least to me, intelligence, you've done the best job here of all the
posters
of posting inane, shallow, childish responses. For God's sake man, try
to
do better. LOL


Example?

Well, I would point you to the current thread to read all the posts. You
could compare and contrast your answers to the others and maybe draw the
same conclusion and that I and others have drawn over the years...that you
usually prefer to post one line zingers that add very little to an
intelligent, thoughtful, in-depth discussion. It's the same tactic John
Tarver uses and he is a literal pariah on Usenet.

Jay Honeck wrote:

* The BSA should not enjoy preferential treatment or be granted any
sort
of government support. As a private organization, they should be
self-sufficient if they wish to discriminate.

This argument was used against the Scouts here in Iowa City, and has
resulted in them being charged the "corporate rate" for using the schools
when they want to hold a meeting or function. Of course, this price is
impossibly high, and has resulted in the Scouts being driven out of the
schools.

Jay,

Would you feel the same way if the BSA had a no blacks or no Jews policy rather
than a no gays policy?

Margy

"Margy Natalie" wrote in message
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|
|
| Jay Honeck wrote:
|
| * The BSA should not enjoy preferential treatment or be granted
any
| sort
| of government support. As a private organization, they should be
| self-sufficient if they wish to discriminate.
|
| This argument was used against the Scouts here in Iowa City, and has
| resulted in them being charged the "corporate rate" for using the
schools
| when they want to hold a meeting or function. Of course, this price is
| impossibly high, and has resulted in the Scouts being driven out of the
| schools.
|
| Jay,
|
| Would you feel the same way if the BSA had a no blacks or no Jews policy
rather
| than a no gays policy?
|

Would you object if gay groups that have a no straights policy were allowed
to use the schools for free?

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...

"Margy Natalie" wrote in message
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|
|
| Jay Honeck wrote:
|
| * The BSA should not enjoy preferential treatment or be granted
any
| sort
| of government support. As a private organization, they should be
| self-sufficient if they wish to discriminate.
|
| This argument was used against the Scouts here in Iowa City, and has
| resulted in them being charged the "corporate rate" for using the
schools
| when they want to hold a meeting or function. Of course, this price
is
| impossibly high, and has resulted in the Scouts being driven out of
the
| schools.
|
| Jay,
|
| Would you feel the same way if the BSA had a no blacks or no Jews policy
rather
| than a no gays policy?
|

Would you object if gay groups that have a no straights policy were
allowed
to use the schools for free?

CJ, you cannot cite a single documented instance of that ever occurring.

--Gary

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:22:48 GMT, "Gary L. Drescher"
wrote:

Would you object if gay groups that have a no straights policy were
allowed
to use the schools for free?

CJ, you cannot cite a single documented instance of that ever occurring.

Can't you? Takes the form of academic clubs, most places, IIRC.

Rob

"Robert Perkins" wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:22:48 GMT, "Gary L. Drescher"
wrote:

Would you object if gay groups that have a no straights policy were
allowed
to use the schools for free?

CJ, you cannot cite a single documented instance of that ever occurring.

Can't you? Takes the form of academic clubs, most places, IIRC.

Academic clubs that exclude heterosexuals and meet in public schools?