Overly restrictive business flying requirements.

The more cowardly BS I see from these companies, the more I realize that I
will only ever be happy with my own company.


"Max T, CFI" wrote in message
news:Qgc1b.219260$Ho3.28733@sccrnsc03...
I work for a large high tech company and the insurance requirements
are even higher, and one can only get approval if it's "company
convenience"
which is hard to ever justify living near multiple airports with lots of
flights going
everywere. Effectively it keeps anyone from flying their own plane on
business any more.
Max T, CFI

Wily Wapiti wrote in message
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Hello.
I thought I'd bounce these off the group and see what people
think. These are the UniRegs at the University of Wyoming for flying
your own or rented plane on University business. I feel, as a
low-time private pilot that they are overly restrictive, but I thought
I'd see what the sage pelicans here thought.

WW

UniReg 177-12d:

(d) When approved in advance by the President, or designee, travel by
privately owned, rented, trade-out, or loaned aircraft may be
authorized, subject to the following requirements:

1) When a University employee wishes to utilize a privately owned,
rented, trade-out, or loaned aircraft for official University travel
(either with or without passengers), the pilot must, as a minimum
requirement:

i. Possess a current private pilot license issued in accordance with
Federal Aviation Administration regulations (FAR's), appropriate to
the craft to be flown, and must be in compliance with the currency
requirements of said FAR's with respect to flight time, biennial
flight review, and other requirements as appropriate to the ratings
held;

ii. Have logged a minimum of 500 hours of total flight time;

iii. Have an instrument rating, issued in accordance with the FAR's,
and must be current for flight in instrument conditions, as defined by
the FAR's;

iv. For night or actual instrument conditions, have logged a minimum
of 100 hours of instrument time, either actual or simulated; and

v. Not withstanding the requirements in paragraph iv.), no
authorization will be granted for single engine aircraft night or
actual instrument conditions.

2) Whenever travel is approved under this policy, the employee shall
verify to the approving University officer that the pilot possesses a
medical certificate issued by a FAA designated medical examiner and a
biennial flight review within the preceding 2 years. The pilot will
show proof of instrument currency, as defined by current FAR's (See,
for example, FAR 61.57).

3) Employees wishing to use personally owned aircraft for travel on
official business must obtain liability insurance coverage in an
amount not less than $1,000,000 per occurrence, and must include the
University of Wyoming as an "Additional Insured" on such policy. A
copy of an endorsement to the employee's policy reflecting the above
coverage, and a certificate of insurance issued to the University
shall be filed with the University's Risk Management Office and, by
reference, included on all purchase orders (Note: agent binder letters
are not acceptable).

4) Employees wishing to use leased, rented, borrowed, trade-out, or
other non-owned aircraft for official University travel must obtain
liability insurance coverage as described in paragraph 3) above, must
name the University as an "Additional Insured" on such policy, must
obtain adequate hull damage insurance to cover any possible loss of
the aircraft, and must provide documentation of such coverage as
required above.

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote:
The more cowardly BS I see from these companies, the more I realize
that I will only ever be happy with my own company.

Amen. I fly on business when I damned well please.

However, I have partners: I do not carry customers or employees with
me in defference to their worries about liability in the event of an
accident.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

Amen. I fly on business when I damned well please.

Same here.

It's one of the greatest benefits of owning your own business, IMHO.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message v.net...

The more cowardly BS I see from these companies, the more I realize that I
will only ever be happy with my own company.

And when you do own your own company, will you happily accept the
liability for your employees to fly their own planes on company
business? One accident could wipe you out.

I don't know if I'd call these companies "cowardly". In today's
legal environment, they're merely covering their butts. I can
certainly understand why.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

"John Galban" wrote:
And when you do own your own company, will you happily accept the
liability for your employees to fly their own planes on company
business? One accident could wipe you out.

One auto accident could wipe me out, too. It is something I take very
seriously; I have fired an otherwise good employee for driving
infractions. But your question is valid. If one of my employees became
a pilot, I believe I would permit him to fly on business. The only
restriction I can think of off-hand: no passengers.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"John Galban" wrote in message
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"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
v.net...

The more cowardly BS I see from these companies, the more I realize that
I
will only ever be happy with my own company.

And when you do own your own company, will you happily accept the
liability for your employees to fly their own planes on company
business? One accident could wipe you out.

I can also get killed crossing the street. Actually I do own my own company
and I let my people travel any way they choose.

I don't know if I'd call these companies "cowardly". In today's
legal environment, they're merely covering their butts. I can
certainly understand why.

I can understand why also, it's just that I don't bow to such restrictions.

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message v.net...
"John Galban" wrote in message
om...
"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
v.net...

The more cowardly BS I see from these companies, the more I realize that
I
will only ever be happy with my own company.

And when you do own your own company, will you happily accept the
liability for your employees to fly their own planes on company
business? One accident could wipe you out.

I can also get killed crossing the street. Actually I do own my own company
and I let my people travel any way they choose.

Are your "people" directly employed by your company and is the
business travel directly related to the business (not to-from work)?
I can't believe you'd have no restrictions whatsoever, as you imply
above. If an employee is a low-time VFR PPL you wouldn't mind if he
headed of to a job site in a complex single in marginal weather?
Granted, that's an extreme example, but it's the reason that most
companies have risk-management departments that issue draconian
restrictions. Given the current litigious climate (particularly in
aviation matters), you have to see a substantial benefit to private
flying on company business to justify the risk.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

Dave Touretzky did a lot of work on his employer, a large university.

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/dst/public/flying/ga-travel-policy.txt


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