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A guy's got an engine out, and he has to go around? Is this normal, or was
there some ball-dropping involved? -- Chris Hoffmann Student Pilot @ UES 40 hours |
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Chris Hoffmann wrote: A guy's got an engine out, and he has to go around? Is this normal, or was there some ball-dropping involved? Another plane was on the runway. -- Ben Jackson http://www.ben.com/ |
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![]() Ben Jackson wrote: Another plane was on the runway. I don't get it. Land the damn plane. Move to one side or the other, whatever. |
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Newps wrote in message news:YYRkb.837091$uu5.148275@sccrnsc04...
Ben Jackson wrote: Another plane was on the runway. I don't get it. Land the damn plane. Move to one side or the other, whatever. Yep. That's where parallel taxiways come in handy. Looks like SPB has two of them. John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) |
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John Galban wrote:
Newps wrote in message news:YYRkb.837091$uu5.148275@sccrnsc04... Ben Jackson wrote: Another plane was on the runway. I don't get it. Land the damn plane. Move to one side or the other, whatever. Yep. That's where parallel taxiways come in handy. Looks like SPB has two of them. Indeed. Scappoose has no shortage of available concrete - a long, wide runway, two good sized parallel taxiways, some decent sized ramps, and it sits surrounded by large, flat, open fields. Sure, there are some trees here and there and an occasional fence/road/structure nearby - it's not quite the Bonneville Salt Flats - but if you were going to come down someplace, this is a pretty forgiving location with lots of options available. Heck, the taxiways there are a lot better than plenty of runways I've landed on. David H Boeing Field (BFI), Seattle, WA - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit the Pacific Northwest Flying forum: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/pnwflying |
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When you get your twin rating, Ben, and I know that you will, remember this:
Below 200 feet with an engine out, put it down somewhere...anywhere...do not even think of going around. Bob Gardner "Ben Jackson" wrote in message news:VrLkb.827648$Ho3.232592@sccrnsc03... In article , Chris Hoffmann wrote: A guy's got an engine out, and he has to go around? Is this normal, or was there some ball-dropping involved? Another plane was on the runway. -- Ben Jackson http://www.ben.com/ |
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Lost a good friend on SE. Commander of Vermont ANG F-89 Squadron.
Had and engine explode and was cleared to land SE. Another Aircraft (civilian on joint use airport) pulled on R/W without clearance and he took it around SE. On downwid the bird blew up killing both him and his Radar Observer. Also lost a very good friend trying to come aboard the carrier in a F2H3 on SE, but that's another story. Big John On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:24:01 GMT, "Bob Gardner" wrote: When you get your twin rating, Ben, and I know that you will, remember this: Below 200 feet with an engine out, put it down somewhere...anywhere...do not even think of going around. Bob Gardner "Ben Jackson" wrote in message news:VrLkb.827648$Ho3.232592@sccrnsc03... In article , Chris Hoffmann wrote: A guy's got an engine out, and he has to go around? Is this normal, or was there some ball-dropping involved? Another plane was on the runway. -- Ben Jackson http://www.ben.com/ |
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I can't put myself in the place of a military pilot because I have never
flown anything that heavy or with that much power. Sad stories, both, and my civil jet experience just doesn't match up. Carrier pilots are a breed apart...I salute them. Bob Gardner "Big John" wrote in message ... Lost a good friend on SE. Commander of Vermont ANG F-89 Squadron. Had and engine explode and was cleared to land SE. Another Aircraft (civilian on joint use airport) pulled on R/W without clearance and he took it around SE. On downwid the bird blew up killing both him and his Radar Observer. Also lost a very good friend trying to come aboard the carrier in a F2H3 on SE, but that's another story. Big John On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:24:01 GMT, "Bob Gardner" wrote: When you get your twin rating, Ben, and I know that you will, remember this: Below 200 feet with an engine out, put it down somewhere...anywhere...do not even think of going around. Bob Gardner "Ben Jackson" wrote in message news:VrLkb.827648$Ho3.232592@sccrnsc03... In article , Chris Hoffmann wrote: A guy's got an engine out, and he has to go around? Is this normal, or was there some ball-dropping involved? Another plane was on the runway. -- Ben Jackson http://www.ben.com/ |
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You go to lots of funerals. Navy Sq I was with had 13 pilots. Killed four before Sq went aboard the Yorktown to go to WestPac. You always say, "it won't happend to me" and go fly. Big John On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:23:29 GMT, "Bob Gardner" wrote: I can't put myself in the place of a military pilot because I have never flown anything that heavy or with that much power. Sad stories, both, and my civil jet experience just doesn't match up. Carrier pilots are a breed apart...I salute them. Bob Gardner "Big John" wrote in message .. . Lost a good friend on SE. Commander of Vermont ANG F-89 Squadron. Had and engine explode and was cleared to land SE. Another Aircraft (civilian on joint use airport) pulled on R/W without clearance and he took it around SE. On downwid the bird blew up killing both him and his Radar Observer. Also lost a very good friend trying to come aboard the carrier in a F2H3 on SE, but that's another story. Big John On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:24:01 GMT, "Bob Gardner" wrote: When you get your twin rating, Ben, and I know that you will, remember this: Below 200 feet with an engine out, put it down somewhere...anywhere...do not even think of going around. Bob Gardner "Ben Jackson" wrote in message news:VrLkb.827648$Ho3.232592@sccrnsc03... In article , Chris Hoffmann wrote: A guy's got an engine out, and he has to go around? Is this normal, or was there some ball-dropping involved? Another plane was on the runway. -- Ben Jackson http://www.ben.com/ |
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In article l6Tkb.837378$uu5.148065@sccrnsc04,
Bob Gardner wrote: When you get your twin rating, Ben, and I know that you will, remember this: Below 200 feet with an engine out, put it down somewhere...anywhere...do not even think of going around. One key thing I've learned about flying it's that there are plenty of things that sound easy on the ground but are much harder in practice. For example, it's better to run off the end of the runway at 20kts than to hit the tops of the trees at 60kts. But when actually confronted with landing long on a runway with trees obstructing the go-around it's a lot harder to commit to landing and overrunning than it is to try the go-around. When I read about an accident like this one I try to take away not only the obvious lesson but also put myself in the position of the pilot and think about why he didn't make the right decision. A decision he probably could have made and argued for in an FBO lounge the day before but was unable to make in flight. -- Ben Jackson http://www.ben.com/ |
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