Rogue IFR

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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You would need a PIREP from someone at the same spot at the same time.

Even in that case, you are relying on the pilot providing the PIREP to do so
accurately. ATC has no way of knowing for sure the PIREP is accurate.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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Even in that case, you are relying on the pilot providing the PIREP to do
so
accurately. ATC has no way of knowing for sure the PIREP is accurate.


PIREPs are assumed to be accurate.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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PIREPs are assumed to be accurate.

That doesn't mean ATC can rely on them to KNOW something.

Besides, even a PIREP does not imply IFR conditions in the exact spot the
target is flying. The PIREP is valid for a specific point in space at a
specific point in time. Assuming there was no collision, obviously the
target aircraft was not in that specific point in space at that specific
point in time.

It's pretty funny, actually, the way you can't help yourself and insist on
arguing even when someone is supporting the point you're trying to make.
Thanks for the good laugh...

Pete

"Peter Duniho" writes:

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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PIREPs are assumed to be accurate.

That doesn't mean ATC can rely on them to KNOW something.

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Are you the type of guy that wonders every day if the sun will rise?

"Bob Fry" wrote in message
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Are you the type of guy that wonders every day if the sun will rise?

I have no idea how that in any way relates to the question at hand.

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Bob Fry" wrote in message
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Are you the type of guy that wonders every day if the sun will rise?

I have no idea how that in any way relates to the question at hand.

Answers the question really!

"Dave" wrote in message
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Answers the question really!

What "answers the question really"? My reply to the question answers it?
Then please, tell me...am I the type of guy that wonders every day if the
sun will rise?

For extra credit, explain how ANY answer to that question has anything to do
with the reliability of a PIREP.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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That doesn't mean ATC can rely on them to KNOW something.


Of course it does. If a pilot says he's in the clouds ATC knows he's in
IMC.



Besides, even a PIREP does not imply IFR conditions in the exact spot the
target is flying. The PIREP is valid for a specific point in space at a
specific point in time. Assuming there was no collision, obviously the
target aircraft was not in that specific point in space at that specific
point in time.


The airplanes don't have to be at exactly the same point. If a pilot
reports he's in the clouds then any other aircraft within 2000 feet
horizontally, 1000 feet above, or 500 feet below of the reporting aircraft
is in IMC.



It's pretty funny, actually, the way you can't help yourself and insist on
arguing even when someone is supporting the point you're trying to make.
Thanks for the good laugh...


I was responding only to the part of your message that was incorrect.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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That doesn't mean ATC can rely on them to KNOW something.

Of course it does. If a pilot says he's in the clouds ATC knows he's in
IMC.

Sorry. I thought the "...about the VFR target" was implied obviously enough
for you to pick up on it. Apparently not. I'll try to keep things simpler
for you in the future, so you can keep up.

The airplanes don't have to be at exactly the same point. If a pilot
reports he's in the clouds then any other aircraft within 2000 feet
horizontally, 1000 feet above, or 500 feet below of the reporting aircraft
is in IMC.

ATC doesn't have enroute radar capable of determining when another aircraft
is within those limits. Furthermore, that assumes accurate reporting by the
VFR target's transponder. Again, an unidentified target would not qualify
for that assumption.

I was responding only to the part of your message that was incorrect.

There was no such part.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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ATC doesn't have enroute radar capable of determining when another
aircraft is within those limits.


Enroute radar? Do you mean Air Route Surveillance Radar? Why are we
suddenly limited to ARSR for discussion purposes? Please, Pete, tell us
about the capabilities of ATC radar.



Furthermore, that assumes accurate reporting by the VFR target's
transponder. Again, an unidentified target would not qualify for
that assumption.


It assumes nothing at all. If a pilot reports he's in the clouds, then any
other
aircraft that is within 2000 feet horizontally, 1000 feet above, or 500 feet
below
the reporting aircraft MUST be in IMC.



There was no such part.


Yes there was. You said ATC can't rely on PIREPs to KNOW something. That's
obviously incorrect.