100 Hour Inspection Question

"FryGuy" wrote in message
1...
I have a question around a 100 hour inspection requirement. I've had time
blocked off at my local FBO for over a month to take a plane this
Saturday.
Me and another pilot buddy are taking up the coast of North Carolina and
are going to hit the airports in the Outer Banks and go to the museum in
Kill Devil Hills.

I was just told that the aircraft we are renting is over the 100 hour
inspection requirement. I asked them if they could get it done between
now
and then and they said they don't have time. Their argument is that we
won't be doing any flight training and therefore the 100 hour inspection
requirement is not applicable.

I talked with someone at the AOPA and 91.409b says:
"Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, no person may
operate
an aircraft carrying any person (other than a crewmember) for hire, and no
person may give flight instruction for hire in an aircraft which that
person provides, unless within the preceeding 100 hours of time in service
the aircraft has received and annual or 100 hour inspection....."

The rep at the AOPA said that their interpretation is that since it is a
rental plane it is "for hire". I talked with the head A&P Mechanic at the
FBO and he said "for hire" only means if their are paying passengers.

AOPA is correct in that the airplane is for hire, but that is not the
subject of the CFR 14 section. For hire, the operator would get paid for
the flight and that would include any compensation from any
passenger/student.

I know this plane well and I know it is a good plane. I just don't want
to
violate any FARs. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

How is the flight being paid for?

Irrelevant question Tarver.

You do not need the inspection for the trip. Only if a flight
instructor, associated with the FBO who operates the bird is aboard
giving flight instruction is it required. You could even use a CFI
from outside the FBO and legally train without the inspection. You
are not operating this for hire. The fact that the FBO rents to you
does not alter the way you are operating the flight.

Bill A&P I.A.



On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:25:44 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


"FryGuy" wrote in message
. 41...
I have a question around a 100 hour inspection requirement. I've had time
blocked off at my local FBO for over a month to take a plane this
Saturday.
Me and another pilot buddy are taking up the coast of North Carolina and
are going to hit the airports in the Outer Banks and go to the museum in
Kill Devil Hills.

I was just told that the aircraft we are renting is over the 100 hour
inspection requirement. I asked them if they could get it done between
now
and then and they said they don't have time. Their argument is that we
won't be doing any flight training and therefore the 100 hour inspection
requirement is not applicable.

I talked with someone at the AOPA and 91.409b says:
"Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, no person may
operate
an aircraft carrying any person (other than a crewmember) for hire, and no
person may give flight instruction for hire in an aircraft which that
person provides, unless within the preceeding 100 hours of time in service
the aircraft has received and annual or 100 hour inspection....."

The rep at the AOPA said that their interpretation is that since it is a
rental plane it is "for hire". I talked with the head A&P Mechanic at the
FBO and he said "for hire" only means if their are paying passengers.

AOPA is correct in that the airplane is for hire, but that is not the
subject of the CFR 14 section. For hire, the operator would get paid for
the flight and that would include any compensation from any
passenger/student.

I know this plane well and I know it is a good plane. I just don't want
to
violate any FARs. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

How is the flight being paid for?

"Bill Zaleski" wrote in message
news
Irrelevant question Tarver.

My question goes directly to wether the flight is a CFR 14 violation.

You do not need the inspection for the trip. Only if a flight
instructor, associated with the FBO who operates the bird is aboard
giving flight instruction is it required. You could even use a CFI
from outside the FBO and legally train without the inspection. You
are not operating this for hire. The fact that the FBO rents to you
does not alter the way you are operating the flight.

If his friend pays for half the gas and only fryguy flies, he got compensted
for his pilot activity. That is where the line is and I believe that is
what the question is about.

Please cease your top posting.

On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:25:44 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


"FryGuy" wrote in message
. 41...
I have a question around a 100 hour inspection requirement. I've had
time
blocked off at my local FBO for over a month to take a plane this
Saturday.
Me and another pilot buddy are taking up the coast of North Carolina
and
are going to hit the airports in the Outer Banks and go to the museum
in
Kill Devil Hills.

I was just told that the aircraft we are renting is over the 100 hour
inspection requirement. I asked them if they could get it done between
now
and then and they said they don't have time. Their argument is that we
won't be doing any flight training and therefore the 100 hour
inspection
requirement is not applicable.

I talked with someone at the AOPA and 91.409b says:
"Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, no person may
operate
an aircraft carrying any person (other than a crewmember) for hire, and
no
person may give flight instruction for hire in an aircraft which that
person provides, unless within the preceeding 100 hours of time in
service
the aircraft has received and annual or 100 hour inspection....."

The rep at the AOPA said that their interpretation is that since it is
a
rental plane it is "for hire". I talked with the head A&P Mechanic at
the
FBO and he said "for hire" only means if their are paying passengers.

AOPA is correct in that the airplane is for hire, but that is not the
subject of the CFR 14 section. For hire, the operator would get paid for
the flight and that would include any compensation from any
passenger/student.

I know this plane well and I know it is a good plane. I just don't
want
to
violate any FARs. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

How is the flight being paid for?

My question goes directly to wether the flight is a CFR 14 violation.

You do not need the inspection for the trip. Only if a flight
instructor, associated with the FBO who operates the bird is aboard
giving flight instruction is it required. You could even use a CFI
from outside the FBO and legally train without the inspection. You
are not operating this for hire. The fact that the FBO rents to you
does not alter the way you are operating the flight.

If his friend pays for half the gas and only fryguy flies, he got
compensted for his pilot activity. That is where the line is and I
believe that is what the question is about.


We will both be flying. The other pilot will be flying up there and I'll
be flying the return trip. We will be splitting the costs though.

"FryGuy" wrote in message
3...
My question goes directly to wether the flight is a CFR 14 violation.

You do not need the inspection for the trip. Only if a flight
instructor, associated with the FBO who operates the bird is aboard
giving flight instruction is it required. You could even use a CFI
from outside the FBO and legally train without the inspection. You
are not operating this for hire. The fact that the FBO rents to you
does not alter the way you are operating the flight.

If his friend pays for half the gas and only fryguy flies, he got
compensted for his pilot activity. That is where the line is and I
believe that is what the question is about.


We will both be flying. The other pilot will be flying up there and I'll
be flying the return trip. We will be splitting the costs though.

I think you are safe. Of course, you were probaly safe before, unless you
turned yourself in.

I think you are safe. Of course, you were probaly safe before, unless you
turned yourself in.

And for only fifty bucks, none of us will report ya! :-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:4LRqb.138212$HS4.1088008@attbi_s01...
I think you are safe. Of course, you were probaly safe before, unless
you
turned yourself in.

And for only fifty bucks, none of us will report ya! :-)

How did a MIDO inspector get in this conversation?