Rolling a 172 - or not

Big John wrote

You talk about doing a LOOP in association with a roll.

No John, I didn't talk or write about...... I just quoted from the
acro.harvard.edu web site and William Kershner's fine book.
You may not have seen the picture from the Kershner book when you
wrote this, but write back when you have seen the barrel roll as
described by someone who is considered an authority in the field.

My reference is years and years of doing acrobatics and teaching
same in both conventional aircraft and jets.

Still waiting for reference documentation. :-)

Bob

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Robert Moore wrote:


No John, I didn't talk or write about...... I just quoted from the
acro.harvard.edu web site and William Kershner's fine book.
You may not have seen the picture from the Kershner book when you
wrote this, but write back when you have seen the barrel roll as
described by someone who is considered an authority in the field.

I've been shown two different ways to do a barrel roll.

The first was to pick a reference off one wingtip. Start pulling and
rolling toward the reference point. Once inverted you would be 90
degrees off original heading (pointed at the ref point). You continue
to roll and pull returning to the original heading.

The second way was to pick a reference point over the nose. Put the
nose slightly to one side of that point then roll and pull keeping the
nose the same distance from the reference point.

The first is the big loopy typy barrel roll - and a lot of fun to do.

The second is a much tighter roll without any loop.

--
Dale L. Falk

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

Dale wrote

The second way was to pick a reference point over the nose. Put
the nose slightly to one side of that point then roll and pull
keeping the nose the same distance from the reference point.

This is what Kershner has to say about the second method.

"Another method of doing a barrel roll is to pick a reference on the
horizon, turn the airplane 45° to the reference point, and proceed to
make a wide roll around this real point. One disadvantage of this
method for the newcomer is that it depends on the pilot's own
judgment of how large the orbit around the point should be. For an
introduction to the maneuver, the first method is usually better, but
you may prefer the second and work out your own techniques of
instructing it."

It should be noted that by using the 45 degree angle to the reference
point, one gets the same maneuver if done properly.

Bob Moore