Help me clear up my brain fart

On 11 Nov 2003 17:50:35 -0800, Bob Fry wrote:

(Ekim) writes:

"Never cross control!!!"
"Keep that ball centered!"
"Never use more than 20 degrees bank!"
"Too high on final - go around. Never slip unless its an emergency
landing."

I understand. It took me a long time to get rid of that kind of stuff
too.

If you can, get some instruction and time in a J-3 Cub. It slips
beautifully and will cure you of worries about cross-controlling, etc.
There's no flying experience like slipping a Cub to landing on a grass
strip on a warm summer evening, the strong Delta breeze offering a
hint of a cool, pleasant night. In the distance, I can easily see the
skyscrapers and Capitol Building of downtown, but as I turn onto final
my only thoughts are to avoid that big, damn oak tree right at the
base of the levee on the Sacramento River. That, and the power lines.
It's a game to see how close I

Oops. Got carried away in my little daydream. The Aircoupe I have
now has rudder pedals but doesn't slip for squat. But seriously, get
some Cub time and get those feet moving. Then get a spin endorsement
and you'll be a happy flyer.

We ought to be mentioning that the danger in crossing controls is
skids, not slips. A stall from a skid as you hurry yourself around
during an overshot final can have you spinning-in awfully quick.

Kirschner used to have a dandy series of drawings in the old Private
Pilot Guide. Did they go away in the new book?

Don

"Don Tuite" wrote in message ...

We ought to be mentioning that the danger in crossing controls is
skids, not slips.

And skidding is not normally CROSS controlled.

Huh?

mike regish

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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"Don Tuite" wrote in message
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We ought to be mentioning that the danger in crossing controls is
skids, not slips.

And skidding is not normally CROSS controlled.

"mike regish" wrote in message
news:IBxsb.184901$e01.665122@attbi_s02...
And skidding is not normally CROSS controlled.

Huh?

I think he means that skidding usually doesn't happen in the presence of
opposite aileron input.

"Cross-controlled" is not exactly the same as "uncoordinated".

Pete

I think Ron means I was so terse I uttered nonsense. For what I was
trying to say, see:

http://www.faatest.com/books/FLT/Cha...ntrolStall.htm

Don

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:28:08 GMT, "mike regish"
wrote:

Huh?

mike regish

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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"Don Tuite" wrote in message
.. .

We ought to be mentioning that the danger in crossing controls is
skids, not slips.

And skidding is not normally CROSS controlled.

"mike regish" wrote in message news:IBxsb.184901$e01.665122@attbi_s02...
Huh?

Just what I said. Skid is usually caused by the same direction
control rudder input as the stick, just too much. Slips are usually
indicated by crosscontrolled inputs. Of course there are exceptions
to both.

Ah.

mike regish

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...

"mike regish" wrote in message
news:IBxsb.184901$e01.665122@attbi_s02...
Huh?

Just what I said. Skid is usually caused by the same direction
control rudder input as the stick, just too much. Slips are usually
indicated by crosscontrolled inputs. Of course there are exceptions
to both.

Thing that got me was that when you put in that extra rudder, the plane will
want to bank more in that direction also. The pilot, not wanting to bank
more will apply opposite aileron. Then it becomes cross controlled.

mike regish

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...

"mike regish" wrote in message
news:IBxsb.184901$e01.665122@attbi_s02...
Huh?

Just what I said. Skid is usually caused by the same direction
control rudder input as the stick, just too much. Slips are usually
indicated by crosscontrolled inputs. Of course there are exceptions
to both.