Is the DC ADIZ on the charts?

"Kevin McCue" wrote in message


Perhaps this whole thread should be sent to the FAA/TSA. It
might* open someone's eyes.

I was in the same meeting with Ron when he was discussing the lack of
charting. All of this was mentioned then - not very lightly, I might add -
with reps from NACO, FSDO and ATC. They are fully aware of the frustration
we pilots are feeling, but the minions we had by the scruff of the neck are
powerless bureaucrats.

They assured us that the bureaucratic security agencies running the show are
aware of the issues we raised, but are not interested in solving them.

I don't envy the job of the security folks. They are truly in a "damned if
you do, damned if you don't" situation, but I'm beginning to question
whether anybody has the patience it seems to require to resolve this
situation.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer
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"John T" wrote in message ws.com...


I was in the same meeting with Ron when he was discussing the lack of
charting. All of this was mentioned then - not very lightly, I might add -
with reps from NACO, FSDO and ATC. They are fully aware of the frustration
we pilots are feeling, but the minions we had by the scruff of the neck are
powerless bureaucrats.

Yes, conspicuosly absent was anybody from the security agencies.

"John T" wrote in message ews.com...

I was in the same meeting with Ron when he was discussing the lack of
charting. All of this was mentioned then - not very lightly, I might add -
with reps from NACO, FSDO and ATC. They are fully aware of the frustration
we pilots are feeling, but the minions we had by the scruff of the neck are
powerless bureaucrats.

John,

Are you saying NACO does not have the authority to depict the
DC ADIZ on the sectional charts or to include the NOTAMs in the
AF/D?

If NACO does not have the authority, who does?

Are you saying the security agencies are preventing NACO from
depicting the ADIZ on the charts?

Thanks,
Sydney

"Snowbird" wrote in message
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Are you saying the security agencies are preventing NACO from
depicting the ADIZ on the charts?

Of course they are. If the ADIZ were depicted, then all a terrorist would
have to do to find airspace where they could terrorize someone is look at
the Washington sectional. You don't want things to be that easy for them,
do you?

It's the same brilliant strategizing that the TSA used when they realized it
just wouldn't do to publish the actual locations of the nuclear power plants
we were supposed to avoid.

Pete

"Snowbird" wrote in message
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Are you saying NACO does not have the authority to depict the
DC ADIZ on the sectional charts or to include the NOTAMs in the
AF/D?

No, the NACO rep said (as Ron said) "We can't chart temporary airspace."
The next logical question posed was "when will this temporary airspace go
away". The answer, of course, is "we don't know, but we don't expect it to
disappear any time soon."

If NACO does not have the authority, who does?

NACO makes the charts. The FAA makes the airspace. Right now, at least,
the various security agencies are telling the FAA to make this airspace.
The FAA claims to be on our side which is why it's only a "temporary"
airspace change.

Are you saying the security agencies are preventing NACO from
depicting the ADIZ on the charts?

No, bureaucratic rules are preventing them from charting the ADIZ. The
security agencies are forcing the FAA to accommodate their demands for
restricted airspace. That's the role we're being told they're playing. We
were told stories about some of the changes that were demanded by these SA's
that clearly indicated they had no idea how the aviation system works.

At least Potomac Approach controllers appear to be seriously trying to make
our GA lives as easy as possible while they and we are getting squeezed by
these arbitrary rules.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer
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