JFK

Peter Duniho wrote:

I don't think
there's anything mutually exclusive of a person being a leader and a servant
all at the same time though.

Maybe not, but the last time I heard a politico refer to serving the people was
many, many years ago. Of course, lots of them do provide service, in the same
sense that a bull provides it to a cow.

George Patterson
If you're not part of the solution, you can make a lot of money prolonging
the problem.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Cecil E. Chapman" wrote in message
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| Well if repeated infidelity is not a problem with you,,, what about
| abandoning a girlfriend to drown (one Kennedy) and murdering another
woman
| (still another, younger Kennedy). They just aren't an honorable
bunch...
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| By the way,,, think about that famous JFK quote... "Ask not what your
| country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" Sounds
like
| something today's extreme right wingers would say....
|

In many respects JFK WAS an extreme right winger.

Indeed, JFK's quote is not too far removed from this one:

"Thus state of mind, which subordinates the interests of the ego to the
conservation of the community, is really the first premise for every truly
human culture..." Adolf Hitler, _Mein_Kampf_

(IOW; the collective and service to the state over the individual and the
government as servant, not the master).

"Michael 182" wrote in message
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What does infidelity have to do with his legacy? Do you disdain Franklin
Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson and Dwight Eisenhower as well?

Yeah, the first two.

In fact, if you run
down the founding fathers John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin and
Alexander Hamilton have all been accused of being adulterers. Who cares?

Different context in those days when life expectancy of a woman was often in
her 20's.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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What does infidelity have to do with his legacy? Do you disdain
Franklin
Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson and Dwight Eisenhower as well? In fact, if you
run
down the founding fathers John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin and
Alexander Hamilton have all been accused of being adulterers. Who cares?

I, for one, believe that any President should be held to the highest moral
standards, for one simple reason:

If the guy lies to his *wife*, what chance do you think WE have with him?

What makes you think Bubba lied to Frau Braun...I mean Hillary? (Using
Webster's definition of the word "lied", not Bubba's.)

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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If the guy lies to his *wife*, what chance do you think WE have with
him?

What makes you think he lied to his wife? :-)

Maybe because she konked him with an ashtray?

You can always tell when a politician is lying. His lips move.

Ahhh...the distinction between a "politician" and a "statesman"!!!

"Michael 182" wrote in message
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No, I believe he got it right. From JFK's 1961 inaugural. FDR's most
famous
line was "We have nothing to fear but fear itself"


Actually, we're now finding out we had plenty to fear from FDR himself.

"Cecil E. Chapman" wrote in message
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Guess again....

From Pres John F. Kennedy's inaugural address delivered in 1961

I would hate to be judged by the behavior of some of my relatives. If
you're going to hate me, hate me for my own actions, not those of
someone
else.

but jeez the apple doesn't fall far from the tree and I haven't even
addressed that other Kennedy who was the rapist..

The Kennedy's are/were rotten to the core. Wealthy to the point that they
didn't belive that the law was for them.

And when you look at where they GOT that wealth....

I was in 6th grade. However, since the assassination of JFK occurred on
11/22/63, I still had a full day of school and went home to a regular
weekend. You're a week early, John.

I also find it interesting that we get all of these little subthreads about
Kennedy and his family and ideology and politics, and yet *nobody* noticed
that the date mentioned was in error. Does this mean that we'll have to redo
this thread next week?

Steve DeMoss
N16071
KHVC

"Big John" wrote in message
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40 years ago today I was ferrying a F-89J from the Maine Air Guard at
Bangor, ME to the Oregon Air Guard at Portland OR. Chugging along at
20K, keeping under the big jet stream blowing east, I was about 150
out of Oklahoma City, my next refueling stop, when ATC came up on
frequency and announced that President Kennedy had been shot in Dallas
and was dead.

May he rest in peace.

Big John

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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"Cecil E. Chapman" wrote in message
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The Kennedy's are/were rotten to the core. Wealthy to the point that
they
didn't belive that the law was for them.


Well, Bobby wasn't bad. And Joe Jr. died in a very risky mission he
volunteered for.
The biggest problem is that Joseph Kennedy was hardly the type to instill
a sound sense
of morals in his sons.

You mean backing the Nazi's...even after being named ambassador to England
and the Battle of Britain...

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Icebound" wrote in message
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Maybe rather than blindly follow any specific "ideology", he tried to do
what was best for the people of his country, regardless of whether it
was perceived as "left", or "right".


Anyone who tries to to do what is best for the people of his country will
be labelled an extreme right winger.

Like those two dudes in Europe in the 20's and 30's? How about those that
did likewise from the left...that guy with the _Little Red Book_...