JFK

Homie wrote:
He did claim to be a jelly donut (literal translation of "Ich bin ein
Berliner"), but the wall that went up on his watch came down on the hated
Reagan's watch.

I pointed out that it wasn't Reagan who was on watch when The Berlin Wall
fell - he had already been relieved of duty. It was Bush's watch that saw
The Berlin Wall fall.

If Homie had written [the wall] came down as a result of 8 years of pressure
applied by the hated Reagan administration ....bla, bla, bla, then I
wouldn't have had issue with his statement.

As far as my point not making sense, you are wrong. It made perfect sense.
Your example makes sense also - it just isn't applicable to the replay I
posted to Homie's JFK message.

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Montblack

"Rachel Carlson"
Your point doesn't make sense. Nixon was on station when Apollo 11 landed
on
the moon, but it is safe to "march it up" to Kennedy.

"Cecil E. Chapman" wrote:

By the way,,, think about that famous JFK quote... "Ask not what your
country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" Sounds like
something today's extreme right wingers would say....

Probably true. Consider also economist Milton Friedman's variant of this quote:

"A truly free man asks neither what his country can do for him, nor what he
can do for his country".

Jim Rosinski
N3825Q

Bob Fry wrote:

JFK simply didn't get much done. But he was studly and that's what
counts in the world.

He was instrumental in preventing World War III. He started the
Vietnam War. He started the space program. If this doesn't count as
"getting much done", then I don't know what does.

Jim Rosinski
N3825Q

("Steven P. McNicoll" wrote)
I believe Pizza Hut offered a particular pizza they called a New Yorker a
few years ago, perhaps they still do. So does "I'm a New Yorker" mean
"I'm
a pizza"?


These posts are starting to make me hungry.

I'll take a Subway, washed down with a Manhattan

....and a big apple for dessert.

--
Montblack

("jim rosinski" wrote)
He was instrumental in preventing World War III.

Yup.

He started the Vietnam War.


Truman did, when he supported France's pre-war colonial claims. This after
the Vietnamese army, almost single-handedly, held back, and eventually
defeated, the invading Japanese.

One of Vietnam's first (post war) requests to the US was for copies of the
Declaration of Independence, our Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Ho Chi
Minh was pro-America in 1945. We turned him away when he came to us. That
was the *start* of the Vietnam War.


He started the space program.


He energized the space program...
He set a national goal for the space program...
He pushed for new funds for the space program ...
He reinvigorated the space program with imagination ...

Space program was already in place. Moon program gets Kennedy's stamp.

http://www.cs.umb.edu/jfklibrary/j052561.htm#sound

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Montblack

in article , Tom S. at
wrote on 11/15/03 4:57 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...

You know, I NEVER would've guessed in a MILLION YEARS that a passing
mention
of this anniversary would touch off a never-ending thread filled with
opposing ideologies, warring political philosophies and decades-old
resentments. I mean, WHAT A COMPLETE SURPRISE.


Probably comes from the Kennedy mystique being so much fabricated myth.

No, it comes from the first rule of Usenet--I argue, therefore I am.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

in article , Montblack at
wrote on 11/15/03 9:44 PM:

("jim rosinski" wrote)

He started the space program.


He energized the space program...
He set a national goal for the space program...
He pushed for new funds for the space program ...
He reinvigorated the space program with imagination ...

Space program was already in place. Moon program gets Kennedy's stamp.

http://www.cs.umb.edu/jfklibrary/j052561.htm#sound

I think it gets LBJ's stamp. It was no coincidence that flight operations
were located in Texas. He also helped keep the Apollo program alive after
the fire, when a whole lot of influential people wanted it scrapped.

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:56:10 -0700, "Tom S."
wrote:


"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
om...

"Tom S." wrote in message
...

Since LBJ's wife was a major shareholder in the transportation company
(marine shipping) that had virtually a monopoly contract to ship war
material to Vietnam...well, you can guess the rest.

Lady Bird was owner of the Johnson businesses in name only.


Probably. I wonder what the rules were in the early 60's regarding blind
trusts, etc., for government officials.



For the record, to clarify my initial reply, I would not defend LBJ
politically, or Lady Bird. (I am not a democrat.) I was only trying
to point out the inherent weakness in the Asian commitment. As a
congressman who had a reputation as being pushy to get his way, Viet
Nam seems to be more of somebody else's war, (McNamara's, and the
military's), not his.

A blind trust was a notable factor in burying us into Viet Nam?
Mentioned in this newsgroup? That's a joke, right? But it might
actually clarify reasons for being indescisive. How much blood money
does one really need?

It may be a bit silly to give full credit to Jacqueline. But I've had
enough of JFK, a long time ago. I don't see it all, and I'm not
surprised that I don't. _I've seen no personality from him._ We
cried for JFK because we were told to, because we were of the type
back then who could still cry. Those are the sorrows, both of them.

Mike

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:15:11 GMT, mike regish wrote:

How so. Lying to the country and getting hundreds of American servicemen and
women and thousands of innocent Iraqis killed is somehow less offensive to
you than not wanting to get caught fooling around?

You have to understand that this is all for a better world. We are all
fighting for the freedom of the US and the western world, esp. we are
alltogether fighting terrorism and Al Quaida. All those brave soldiers died
while defending *your* country (while you had the privilege of staying at
home). They saved (!) _your_ ass while fighting those terrorists.
Civilization and humanitarian aid is brought to the people of Iraq, without
the help of the US and their allies there would be hunger and slavery (and
terrorism, of course). It seems that you are not with us. This intends that
you are with the terrorists. Uuhmm, I think I have to check my medication
....

[if you find sarcasm you might keep it]

mike regish

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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:31:07 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

Thousands of innocent Iraqis have been
saved.

Saved from what? From beeing hit by allied bombs?

It is said that by summer 2004 the troops should leave and Iraq should have
its own government. I bet 1:100 that there comes up the same mess than
everywhere else (except Europe) where western allies left after messing up
the area.

BTW: there is *still* war in Iraq. Peace has not been declared, so the
allies still can keep the POW imprisoned. (Heck, I bet they would keep them
imprisoned while declaring peace).

#m
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