JFK

("jim rosinski" wrote)
He was instrumental in preventing World War III.

Yup.

He started the Vietnam War.


Truman did, when he supported France's pre-war colonial claims. This after
the Vietnamese army, almost single-handedly, held back, and eventually
defeated, the invading Japanese.

One of Vietnam's first (post war) requests to the US was for copies of the
Declaration of Independence, our Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Ho Chi
Minh was pro-America in 1945. We turned him away when he came to us. That
was the *start* of the Vietnam War.


He started the space program.


He energized the space program...
He set a national goal for the space program...
He pushed for new funds for the space program ...
He reinvigorated the space program with imagination ...

Space program was already in place. Moon program gets Kennedy's stamp.

http://www.cs.umb.edu/jfklibrary/j052561.htm#sound

--
Montblack

in article , Montblack at
wrote on 11/15/03 9:44 PM:

("jim rosinski" wrote)

He started the space program.


He energized the space program...
He set a national goal for the space program...
He pushed for new funds for the space program ...
He reinvigorated the space program with imagination ...

Space program was already in place. Moon program gets Kennedy's stamp.

http://www.cs.umb.edu/jfklibrary/j052561.htm#sound

I think it gets LBJ's stamp. It was no coincidence that flight operations
were located in Texas. He also helped keep the Apollo program alive after
the fire, when a whole lot of influential people wanted it scrapped.

I think it gets LBJ's stamp. It was no coincidence that flight operations
were located in Texas. He also helped keep the Apollo program alive after
the fire, when a whole lot of influential people wanted it scrapped.

I think LBJ helped to keep it alive, but saw it largely as yet another
"make-work" Federal project for his home state.

It was Congress that voted the funds for Apollo, in part because of the
national resonance of the martyred JFK's "to the moon by the end of this
decade" speech.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , Montblack at
wrote on 11/15/03 9:44 PM:

("jim rosinski" wrote)

He started the space program.


He energized the space program...
He set a national goal for the space program...
He pushed for new funds for the space program ...
He reinvigorated the space program with imagination ...

Space program was already in place. Moon program gets Kennedy's stamp.

http://www.cs.umb.edu/jfklibrary/j052561.htm#sound

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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I think it gets LBJ's stamp. It was no coincidence that flight operations
were located in Texas.

LBJ, as probably the most corrupt president in our history, had it built in
Texas to pork barrel his buddies. That is pretty much beyond doubt.

He also helped keep the Apollo program alive after
the fire, when a whole lot of influential people wanted it scrapped.

Ditto above.

in article , Tom S. at
wrote on 11/16/03 1:06 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...
I think it gets LBJ's stamp. It was no coincidence that flight operations
were located in Texas.

LBJ, as probably the most corrupt president in our history, had it built in
Texas to pork barrel his buddies. That is pretty much beyond doubt.

Right. Hence my statement that it was no coincidence.

He also helped keep the Apollo program alive after
the fire, when a whole lot of influential people wanted it scrapped.

Ditto above.

Yep, it was pork barrel alright. That's why it gets LBJ's stamp. Get it?

In article , "Tom S."
writes:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
.. .
I think it gets LBJ's stamp. It was no coincidence that flight operations
were located in Texas.

LBJ, as probably the most corrupt president in our history, had it built in
Texas to pork barrel his buddies. That is pretty much beyond doubt.


That LBJ was at least the 2nd most corrupt President is probably true, and it
is also probably true that Mission Control was located in TX as pork.

But my NASA buddies (I am working about a mile from Langley at this moment)
tell me that LBJ's passion for the space program was genuine and that he was
responsible for persuading Kennedy to adopt the stated goal of the moon
landing in a decade.

It is probably the only noble thing he ever did.

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

He signed the Civil Rights Act 1n 1964. That ranks pretty high on list of
noble deeds.

Michael


"Wdtabor" wrote in message
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In article , "Tom S."

writes:

That LBJ was at least the 2nd most corrupt President is probably true, and
it
is also probably true that Mission Control was located in TX as pork.

But my NASA buddies (I am working about a mile from Langley at this
moment)
tell me that LBJ's passion for the space program was genuine and that he
was
responsible for persuading Kennedy to adopt the stated goal of the moon
landing in a decade.

It is probably the only noble thing he ever did.

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

In article gV5ub.221915$HS4.1935369@attbi_s01, "Michael 182"
writes:


He signed the Civil Rights Act 1n 1964. That ranks pretty high on list of
noble deeds.


Yeah, and when he signed it, he said the Democrat Party would *own* the black
vote for the next hundred years. In spite of the fact that the Civil Rights Act
was passed with more Republican support than Democrat.

There is nothing noble about a cynical politcal manuever.



--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

"Tom S." wrote in message
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"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...
I think it gets LBJ's stamp. It was no coincidence that flight
operations
were located in Texas.

LBJ, as probably the most corrupt president in our history, had it built
in
Texas to pork barrel his buddies. That is pretty much beyond doubt.

Until JFK died, NASA was building in Massachusetts. One completed building,
in Kendall Square, Cambridge, became a DOT building.

The pork just moved with the Presidency.

-- David Brooks

"Montblack" wrote:


[JFK] started the Vietnam War.

Truman did, when he supported France's pre-war colonial claims. This after
the Vietnamese army, almost single-handedly, held back, and eventually
defeated, the invading Japanese.

One of Vietnam's first (post war) requests to the US was for copies of the
Declaration of Independence, our Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Ho Chi
Minh was pro-America in 1945. We turned him away when he came to us. That
was the *start* of the Vietnam War.

Thanks for the informative historical perspective! But to me
"starting a war" requires sending troops, which I believe began on
JFK's watch.

He started the space program.

He energized the space program...
He set a national goal for the space program...
He pushed for new funds for the space program ...
He reinvigorated the space program with imagination ...

Space program was already in place. Moon program gets Kennedy's stamp.

Good points.

Jim Rosinski
N3825Q