cleared, then busted

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:Zdaub.28610$Dw6.140203@attbi_s02...
Unbelievable.

What a screwed up mess.
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Now you're catching on!

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:Zdaub.28610$Dw6.140203@attbi_s02...
Unbelievable.

What a screwed up mess.
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Now you're catching on!


ANd some people want the government to run your health care.

Think about that.

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

What difference does it make? Health care has already been demolished in
this country.


"Wdtabor" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:Zdaub.28610$Dw6.140203@attbi_s02...
Unbelievable.

What a screwed up mess.
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Now you're catching on!


ANd some people want the government to run your health care.

Think about that.

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

In a previous article, ackatyu (Wdtabor) said:
ANd some people want the government to run your health care.

Think about that.

They can't do a worse job than the beancounters are doing now. Says the
guy who had two doctor ordered treatments turned down by ****ing insurance
companies.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
The thing I've noticed, particularly about Usenet, that while as a
welcome break from work it is refreshing and interesting, when you've
got bugger all else to do it kinda loses its appeal. -- C Speed

In article , (Paul
Tomblin) wrote:

ANd some people want the government to run your health care.

Think about that.

They can't do a worse job than the beancounters are doing now. Says the
guy who had two doctor ordered treatments turned down by ****ing insurance
companies.

I don't want to bet your health or life on it. Says the guy working
in the acquisition of systems for the government.

--
Bob Noel

In a previous article, Bob Noel said:
In article , (Paul
Tomblin) wrote:
They can't do a worse job than the beancounters are doing now. Says the
guy who had two doctor ordered treatments turned down by ****ing insurance
companies.

I don't want to bet your health or life on it. Says the guy working
in the acquisition of systems for the government.

I bet the first 35 years of my life on the Canadian system, and it worked
pretty damn well.



--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Microsoft - Just say No.

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
In a previous article, Bob Noel said:
In article , (Paul
Tomblin) wrote:
They can't do a worse job than the beancounters are doing now. Says
the
guy who had two doctor ordered treatments turned down by ****ing
insurance
companies.

I don't want to bet your health or life on it. Says the guy working
in the acquisition of systems for the government.

I bet the first 35 years of my life on the Canadian system, and it worked
pretty damn well.

You ever need dialysis? Ever wonder what you would do if medical attention
was available (for the person of your choice) and that you could afford, but
not allowed? Examples of this situation abound. Try to get a non-emergency
MRI in Toronto within a year. Try to get dialysis (even just for fun).
What did you bet on? What was your ante?

le moo

"Happy Dog" wrote in message
...

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...

I bet the first 35 years of my life on the Canadian system, and it
worked
pretty damn well.

You ever need dialysis? Ever wonder what you would do if medical
attention
was available (for the person of your choice) and that you could afford,
but
not allowed? Examples of this situation abound. Try to get a
non-emergency
MRI in Toronto within a year. Try to get dialysis (even just for fun).
What did you bet on? What was your ante?

When I tore my ACL last year, it was 12 days from injury to surgery (and
that includes about five days of being chicken**** before going to the
doctor). MRI, a bunch of other tests to make sure I wouldn't croak on the
operating table (EKG, blood work...).

Surgery was five hours (with a cadaver graft) and left four 1/2 inch scars.

Total out of pocket: $50 co-pay and three prescriptions at $10 a pop for
co-pays. We pay a tidy sum for catastrophic coverage, but it's better than
the HMO whorehouse (a facet of government intervention).

In a previous article, "Happy Dog" said:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
I bet the first 35 years of my life on the Canadian system, and it worked
pretty damn well.

You ever need dialysis? Ever wonder what you would do if medical attention
was available (for the person of your choice) and that you could afford, but
not allowed? Examples of this situation abound. Try to get a non-emergency
MRI in Toronto within a year. Try to get dialysis (even just for fun).
What did you bet on? What was your ante?

My father had a heart attack a few years ago, near Toronto. He got MRIs,
CAT scans, and surgery, all within a few hours. He was operated on by a
world famous cardiac surgeon who has been profiled on the US science show
"NOVA". Now he gets drugs that would cost thousands of dollars a week.
So far, he's paid exactly $0.00, not counting parking at the doctor's
office.

So I anted my father's life, and won.

Compare and contrast with the US system, where my doctor has twice
referred me to chronic pain specialists only to have the insurance company
turn me down. I've switched insurance companies, but they're all in
collusion to treat chronic pain sufferers as nothing but whiners. Oh, and
they wouldn't pay to treat the depression caused by the chronic pain,
either. They're all a bunch of ****ing *******s, and they have the entire
US political system in their pockets because politics runs on money, and
they've made plenty by denying proper medical care even to those lucky
enough to supposedly have coverage.

--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
My group's mission statement - 'You want *what* ? By *WHEN* ?'
-- Simon Burr

Happy Dog wrote:


"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
In a previous article, Bob Noel
said:
In article , (Paul
Tomblin) wrote:
They can't do a worse job than the beancounters are doing now. Says
the
guy who had two doctor ordered treatments turned down by ****ing
insurance
companies.

I don't want to bet your health or life on it. Says the guy working
in the acquisition of systems for the government.

I bet the first 35 years of my life on the Canadian system, and it worked
pretty damn well.

You ever need dialysis? Ever wonder what you would do if medical
attention was available (for the person of your choice) and that you could
afford, but
not allowed? Examples of this situation abound. Try to get a
non-emergency
MRI in Toronto within a year. Try to get dialysis (even just for fun).
What did you bet on? What was your ante?

le moo

While perhaps interesting for comparison purposes, the availability of
dialysis "just for fun", or any other elective medical procedure isn't
really relavent. I don't care how long one has to wait for that nose job.
What's important is what happens when one is sick/broken and not wealthy.

I've never been treated in Canada but from what I gather the Canadians have
a good system that accomodates most everyone in a humane way. Contrast that
to the US system where if you are middle class or below and get sick you
risk extra trouble from the stress of (real or potential) denial which
could lead to financial ruin. If you're unemployed you may be denied
followup treatment altogether.

I am fully aware that "free" health care promotes abuse. People should have
a stake in their own treatment's cost when they are able to pay. But the
notion that just about everyone in the US is one major illness away from
financial ruin is what's wrong here.

Getting sick is bad enough, but adding to the suffering so drug companies
and HMO's can make big profits is wrong. Add the fact that these same
entities more or less wrote the laws by buying off the Congress and it
becomes downright immoral.

Again, don't get me wrong - I don't begrudge any legitimate business a
profit, but the drug companies are out of control. Their profits are
obscene and way beyond what they need to recover research costs. Their
manipulation of the various patent laws topped off with their misleading
advertising costs all of us.
--
Frank....H