cleared, then busted

Just to give some credit where it's due...

I flew up to Rapid City today and asked approach to vector me as close as
they could to Mt. Rushmore. They were very friendly, cautioned me about the
restricted area around the monument, and vectored and suggested altitudes to
get as close as was reasonably possible without risking getting busted. Did
a nice job. (Still not a great view. Really need to land to see the faces
well.)

Seems that on a one on one basis I usually get excellent service from
controllers, but on a buearacratic level, such as the one described in this
link, it gets crazy.

Michael


"virga" wrote in message
...
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive.../148-full.html
I guess we shouldn't be surprised, but wow!

"Michael 182" wrote in message
news:jGbub.170416$mZ5.1197211@attbi_s54...

I flew up to Rapid City today and asked approach to vector me as close as
they could to Mt. Rushmore. They were very friendly, cautioned me about
the
restricted area around the monument, and vectored and suggested altitudes
to
get as close as was reasonably possible without risking getting busted.
Did
a nice job. (Still not a great view. Really need to land to see the faces
well.)


A Restricted Area around Mt. Rushmore? That sounds dangerous to me, and
harmful to the monument too.

Maybe I'm using the wrong term, but the controller referred to it as
restricted. 700' vertical, 2000' horizontal... What should it be called?


"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Michael 182" wrote in message
news:jGbub.170416$mZ5.1197211@attbi_s54...

I flew up to Rapid City today and asked approach to vector me as close
as
they could to Mt. Rushmore. They were very friendly, cautioned me about
the
restricted area around the monument, and vectored and suggested
altitudes
to
get as close as was reasonably possible without risking getting busted.
Did
a nice job. (Still not a great view. Really need to land to see the
faces
well.)


A Restricted Area around Mt. Rushmore? That sounds dangerous to me, and
harmful to the monument too.

"Michael 182" wrote in message
news:_Ybub.174249$9E1.900924@attbi_s52...

Maybe I'm using the wrong term, but the controller referred to it as
restricted. 700' vertical, 2000' horizontal... What should it be called?


Restricted Areas are established for security reasons or to contain
hazardous activities, such as bombing and gunnery ranges. Mt. Rushmore is
in the Black Elk Wilderness Area, both are charted on the Cheyenne
sectional. Non-emergency landings are prohibited in Wilderness Areas, but
flight in them is not strictly prohibited. Aircraft are requested to
maintain a minimum altitude of 2,000 feet AGL while overflying them.

In article jGbub.170416$mZ5.1197211@attbi_s54,
Michael 182 wrote:
Just to give some credit where it's due...
[SNIP]
Seems that on a one on one basis I usually get excellent service from
controllers, but on a buearacratic level, such as the one described in this
link, it gets crazy.

This seems to be the case for schools, doctors, lawerys, etc. as well.
On the whole the system is screwed, but _MY_ doctor, childs' school, etc.
is doing the best they can and a fairly good job.
I learned to fly from a class D airport (KBFI) which is under class B
airspace; so I've been talking to ATC from lesson one. I have NEVER had a
problem with ATC and have never not been allowed into the clas B. Yet I
read/heard abot all kinds of problems with out ATC system.

"'Vejita' S. Cousin" wrote in message
...
[...] I have NEVER had a
problem with ATC and have never not been allowed into the clas B. Yet I
read/heard abot all kinds of problems with out ATC system.

Well, ATC is a big system. And it's human nature to talk about the
problems, so of course you're going to hear about the problems. But, if you
heard about all the successes as well as all the failures, you wouldn't be
able to remember the failures, for all the reports of successes you had to
listen to.

Pete