Criminal Prosecution for TFR Bust?

("G.R. Patterson III" wrote)
There is also no limit on the amount of time they may be detained. Many of
the
combatants in WWII were not released until years after the cessation of
hostitilies, and this is in
complete accordance with the pertinent laws and
treaties. The people at Guantano are not military personel dedicated to
any
particular country, which basically means they are armed civilians, which
basically means (under the Geneva convention) we can execute them. Without
trial.


The "explanation" by the administration had me howling - not agreeing or
disagreeing, just howling.

The detainees would not be accorded the standard US system of due process,
etc
because they weren't being held on US soil. *Top* people were spouting that
line for weeks.

My thought was, well ok, what does Cuba's system say about this? Oh wait,
now it is US soil ...sort of.

--
Montblack

Peter Gottlieb wrote:

You have been given power and you now believe your
opinion is more important than oversight and due process.

"Due process" is short for "due process of LAW". Tell us. What LAW applies to
non-military people found fighting in a foreign country against organized
military personel?

George Patterson
The actions taken by the New Hampshire Episcopalians (ie. inducting a gay
bishop) are an affront to Christians everywhere. I am just thankful that
the church's founder, Henry VIII, and his wife Catherine of Aragon, and his
wife Anne Boleyn, and his wife Jane Seymour, and his wife Anne of Cleves,
and his wife Katherine Howard, and his wife Catherine Parr are no longer
here to suffer through this assault on traditional Christian marriages.

In article ,
"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:

Peter Gottlieb wrote:

You have been given power and you now believe your
opinion is more important than oversight and due process.

"Due process" is short for "due process of LAW". Tell us. What LAW applies to
non-military people found fighting in a foreign country against organized
military personel?




According to the Geneva Conventions, they may be executed as spies, as
they have no legal status.

In article , Martin Hotze
wrote:

I am confused.

*shack*

--
Bob Noel

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message


US forces were found fighting hostile combatants, and there is no
question or need for a trial, since they are not criminals.

Go read the Geneva Convention before you appear even more ignorant.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 01:43:20 GMT, "Tom Hyslip"
wrote in Message-Id:
:

[...]

http://www.heraldonline.com/local/st...-2670334c.html
The backlash has been building steadily since the passage of the
Patriot Act in October 2001. Among the provisions opponents find
most troubling:

. The FBI has broader authority to seek information on citizens'
reading habits at libraries and bookstores, as well as financial
information and medical records without having "probable cause."
Instead, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court, a secret
body that oversees investigations against terrorism suspects, must
deem information being sought as relevant in a criminal probe.


CALLED JUDICIAL OVERSIGHT, NO DIFFERENCE THEN GOING TO ANY OTHER COURT
AND HAVING THE RECORD SEALED
WHICH IS DONE I [sic] ALMOST EVERY CASE


This is so startlingly Orwellian as to elevate the sagacious author to
absolute prescience:

"The FBI has broader authority to seek information on citizens'
[...] financial information and medical records without having
"probable cause."

If, indeed, the above quote is correct, I am profoundly insulted and
forever disillusioned by the audacious hubris of the small minds that
people the labyrinth that is US bureaucracy.

It makes me feel fortunate to have lived in more noble times past that
predate the marketing saturated, over populated, television steeped,
patently corrupt, sorry quagmire that today so rapidly engulfs our
once respected and capable nation. I am so revulsed by such vulgar
trampling of the ideals of freedom and equality espoused in the
documents of this nation's birth as to feel relief, that my journey
into the future is now considerably shorter then the 25% of this
nation's existence that I have thus far experienced.

Denying due process of law to US citizens is not only criminal, it is
unjust and wrong.

. Some search warrants can be kept secret for 90 days, allowing
the government to go into someone's home or business without the
target knowing it.


SEE ABOVE

Secret and warrantless search is how you define "JUDICIAL OVERSIGHT"?
Your credibility is blown, brother.

. In some cases, people can be jailed for providing aid to groups
the government links to terrorism..

AIDING AND ABETING THE ENEMY. NO DIFFERENCE THEN PROVIDING MONEY TO
HITLER IN WW2

http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHG..._Bush_ Nazi_2
“Bush - Nazi Dealings Continued Until 1951” - Federal Documents
By John Buchanan and Stacey Michael
from The New Hampshire Gazette Vol. 248, No. 3, November 7, 2003

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message


whatever is written there.

Just as I thought. Just another attempt at a drive-by.

You as an American bring up sentiments
about fighting terrorism and how to fight terrorism. This is your
good right. Don't you think that the people in those countries you
"liberate" (namely Afghanistan and Iraq) also have feelings and
sentiments? They might feel just the same way you think, only in the
other direction.

Again, read the Geneva Convention, then come back and discuss how countries
are allowed to treat various types of combatants. This isn't about the
morality of defending one's home/country. It's about the treatment of
non-uniformed combatants.

BTW, when was the last time you folks had to deal with armed conflict?

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer
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"Martin Hotze" wrote in message


you might want to prove their status as a spy first. Or will you
prove it after the hanging?

Again, read the Convention before you sound even more ignorant.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer
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"Martin Hotze" wrote in message


_last_ time? seems that this happens on a weekly or monthly basis in
your neck of the woods, eh? :-))

That's the way to dodge a question...

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer
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"Martin Hotze" wrote in message


maybe you can point me to the correct paragraph

No, I'm not doing your homework for you, but kudos for finding the full text
and not somebody's interpretation of it.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer
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