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John,

Have you been following the news lately, at all?

Are you trying to make a point?


Yes. The point: If what's happening in Iraq is "winning a war", then
the definitions of "winning" must have changed dramatically since I
last checked.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...

Yes. The point: If what's happening in Iraq is "winning a war", then
the definitions of "winning" must have changed dramatically since I
last checked.

You must be too young to remember when the Allies won WWII. Many Germans and
Japanese fought and killed Allied troops long after the war. Reconstruction
of the defeated countries and reformation of their governments and
infrastructure took years and a tremendous financial commitment. Much of
that investment was never repaid, even though the major Axis powers are now
well in the black.

It seems to me that you need to turn off the TV and spend some time studying
the real world.

Regards,
Rich S.

"Rich S." wrote in message


It seems to me that you need to turn off the TV and spend some time
studying the real world.

Not to mention learning what's happening in Iraq. "Good news is no news."

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:00:02 -0800, "Rich S."
wrote:

You must be too young to remember when the Allies won WWII. Many Germans and
Japanese fought and killed Allied troops long after the war. Reconstruction
of the defeated countries and reformation of their governments and
infrastructure took years and a tremendous financial commitment. Much of
that investment was never repaid, even though the major Axis powers are now
well in the black.

It seems to me that you need to turn off the TV and spend some time studying
the real world.

Regards,
Rich S.

Rich, I've been reading military history since I first started reading
some 45 or so years ago and I'll be darned if I can recall reading
much about post WWII battles with soldiers who refused to surrender.
Can you give me a citation or two?

I know some fanatical Japanese wanted to stage a coup after the
Emperor announced the surrender, but that didn't happen. I recall
reading about one P-38 pilot who landed in Japan shortly after the
announcement that Japan had surrendered, only to be politely told by
the Japanese at that airfield that while Japan may have surrendered,
the papers had not yet been signed so the war wasn't actually over
yet. He was allowed to board his fighter and takeoff.

There was the odd Japanese soldier here and there stuck out in some
jungle wilderness who continued to hide, but for the most part they
did not fight, they just hid.

Thanks, Corky Scott

"Corky Scott" wrote in message
...

Rich, I've been reading military history since I first started reading
some 45 or so years ago and I'll be darned if I can recall reading
much about post WWII battles with soldiers who refused to surrender.
Can you give me a citation or two?

I have run across references to gurrilla activity by both Germans and
Japanese in my reading. These incidents were not battles, per se. They were
in the form of sniping, demolition, and as you say, hiding and refusing to
recognize the end of the war. IIRC, the last Japanese to "surrender" was in
the 60's sometime.

Germany, of course, had their grand plan for the establishment of the Alpine
Redoubt, where picked troops would hole up awaiting the chance to rebuild
the Reich - but it never happened. The threat of such an installation did
substantially affect Allied tactics in the drive for the Rhine, drawing off
men and materials from the Third Army.

I'll ax my certifiable neighbor to see if he can give me a reference or two.
His living room is chock-a-block full of WWII books and tapes. I think he
has a gold plaque from the Hitler. . . er. . . History Channel for buying
more sets of tapes than the Library of Congress.

I don't suppose a pitched battle between Skinheads and Munich police would
qualify? p

Rich S.

"Corky Scott" wrote in message
...
Rich, I've been reading military history since I first started reading
some 45 or so years ago and I'll be darned if I can recall reading
much about post WWII battles with soldiers who refused to surrender.
Can you give me a citation or two?

Corky..........

This book may have some information about the Germans who fought on.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...45748?v=glance

Werwolf!: The History of the National Socialist Guerrilla Movement,
1944-1946

Rich S.

Rich S. wrote:

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...


Yes. The point: If what's happening in Iraq is "winning a war", then
the definitions of "winning" must have changed dramatically since I
last checked.


You must be too young to remember when the Allies won WWII.

It wasn't on ABC, so he doesn't believe it really happened.

Rich,

Many Germans and
Japanese fought and killed Allied troops long after the war.


I am German. I am quite well educated in my country's history (I can
point at Iraq on a map, too). Your above statement is total BS.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:40:32 +0100, Thomas Borchert
wrote:

Many Germans and
Japanese fought and killed Allied troops long after the war.


I am German. I am quite well educated in my country's history (I can
point at Iraq on a map, too). Your above statement is total BS.

Y'know, I once asked the a couple graduates of Germany's Realschulen
and Gesamtschulen (arguably much, much better than the public schools
in the U.S.) what they knew of World War II.

One of them told me that his study of history included a curriculum
which reached the point of Hitler's rise to Chancellor of the Weimar
Republic. Next day, they were talking about Konrad Adenauer. [1]
Skipped that embarrassing war altogether.

Therefore, I doubt your good education in your country's history
included the things these people are talking about.

No fear, though, American students, if they learn history at all,
never for a minute hear about the United States' failed invasion of
Russia in the early 20th Century.

Rob
[1] Adenauer was one of the first leaders of the Federal Republic of
Germany.

--
[You] don't make your kids P.C.-proof by keeping them
ignorant, you do it by helping them learn how to
educate themselves.

-- Orson Scott Card

Robert,

One of them told me that his study of history included a curriculum
which reached the point of Hitler's rise to Chancellor of the Weimar
Republic. Next day, they were talking about Konrad Adenauer. [1]
Skipped that embarrassing war altogether.


This story has no basis in fact, at all. It is simply impossible that
you have experienced that, unless it was during the 50s - where we
didn't have Gesamtschulen. You're either a liar or you have been lied
to - sorry!

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)