GAO Report: GA Security Threat

Thomas Borchert wrote:

John,


Have you been following the news lately, at all?

Are you trying to make a point?



Yes. The point: If what's happening in Iraq is "winning a war", then
the definitions of "winning" must have changed dramatically since I
last checked.

No, it's just that your standard of acceptable information needs some
fine-tuning. Instead of buying into the Six O'clock Follies as the SOLE
source, do some checking. HOW many thousands of US personnel are in
Iraq? All you hear about are the handful who die.

Well, guess what? Servicemen die in the US, too. Helicopters crash in
the US too. And there are Army bases whose commanders have had to order
troops not to wear uniforms offbase because the locals don't treat the
military well.

.. . .and there's no war going on here, is there?

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:55:58 +0000, Ian Graeme wrote:

And there are Army bases whose commanders have had to order troops not
to wear uniforms offbase because the locals don't treat the military
well.

This would be a lot easier to believe with a few details that could
be checked against other sources.

Which bases do you have in mind and how many have been killed off base in
the last year just because they were servicemen?

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"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
| John,
|
| Have you been following the news lately, at all?
|
| Are you trying to make a point?
|
|
| Yes. The point: If what's happening in Iraq is "winning a war", then
| the definitions of "winning" must have changed dramatically since I
| last checked.
|

Are you suggesting that Saddam is winning the war? Then you have an even
stranger definition of 'winning.'

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:05:04 -0800, C J Campbell wrote:


"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
... | John,
|
| Have you been following the news lately, at all? |
| Are you trying to make a point?
|
|
| Yes. The point: If what's happening in Iraq is "winning a war", then
the | definitions of "winning" must have changed dramatically since I
last | checked.
|
|
Are you suggesting that Saddam is winning the war? Then you have an even
stranger definition of 'winning.'

It looks to me like no one is winning this war.

Saddam certainly lost. His supporters and military lost. The people in
Iraq who opposed the regime will quite likely be crushed again once the US
leaves and the Bathists have even more free rein than they have now. So
they too will probably eventually lose.

The concept of a UN able to solve major international crisis certainly
lost.

If there were WMD, they seem to have gone underground, quite possibly into
the hands of al Qaeda, which would make the US less safe than before the
invasion.

If there were no WMD (which is what most of the world outside the US now
believes), then the US has lost a huge amount of credibility, and even
fewer countries will be willing to come running next time the US cries
"Wolf".

The US taxpayer has certainly lost. There is little hope of other
countries picking up the bill for what they consider a war that was
started under false pretenses.

The only people who are wining are those who delight in having even more
people mad enough at the US that they can convert them into terrorists.
This war surely created many thousands more prospective terrorists. This
is the greatest recruiting campaign al Qaeda ever dreamed of, all funded
by the US taxpayer.

The US military certainly won the "offical" war, but the peace seems to be
slipping through their fingers. The whole point of the exercise was to
make the US safer, and that does not seem likely now.



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C,

Are you suggesting that Saddam is winning the war? Then you have an even
stranger definition of 'winning.'


Read the thread. The OP said: "We have won the war in Iraq". That's a
ridiculous statement.

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)