Bible-beater pilots

Dan,

This is the basis of much of the pseudo-science religionists are
currently attempting to force into public school curricula. It is known
as the "God of the gaps." IOW, if I don't understand it, God did it.


I know - and I hate it. Teach children to be skeptical, teach them to
accept that they can't know everything and there'S no reason to be afraid
of that.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Peter,

during the early phases of the big bang.


True. But that's been over for a while ;-)

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Martin,

Just check what is printed on your money.


And then check the constitution. VERY disturbing.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Larry,

Is the truth any less true just because someone chooses not to believe it?


A truth that needs "believing in" is not a truth. Read that definition
again!

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Dan Luke wrote:

Absolutely. But true, l-f capitalism must inevitably produce economic
colossi that can suppress competition and freedom.

That's what has happened and is currently happening in pretty much every
industry in this country right now.


--
Chris W

"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania

Thomas Borchert wrote:

Larry,

Is the truth any less true just because someone chooses not to believe it?


A truth that needs "believing in" is not a truth. Read that definition
again!

Just because no one can currently prove something doesn't mean it isn't true.
One day we will all know if it is truth or not. True or False: I will have my
PPL by the end of next year. I believe it is true, you may not, but what either
of us believe is irrelevant as to weather it is true or not. We will both have
to wait till the end of next year to find out.


--
Chris W

"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania

Larry Fransson wrote:

Is the truth any less true just because someone chooses not to believe it?

Of course not. But I've never fully understood why bible-thumpers
expect non-believers to be persuaded by an argument that essentially
boils down to "It's true because I say it's true" (e.g. the lead
article in this thread), or "It's true because it says so in the
bible".

Part of the explanation why such poor argumentation technique can
nevertheless lead to converts, I think, lies in promises made by
Evangelical Christianity. The slate of a wasted life of immorality
and corruption can be wiped clean and eternal salvation guaranteed by
doing nothing more than accepting Jesus Christ as your savior. What a
deal!

Jim Rosinski
N3825Q

Earl Grieda wrote:

I guess the answer to that depends on what religion the fanatics belong to.
Off the top of my head we have evolution for the Christians

I am continually amazed at how wrong both the religious and secularist are on
evolution. I like the the way a biology teacher I once had put it. He said
something like this, evolution is a proven fact, it happens every day. If your
going to get all caught up on the issue of whether or not men evolved from apes
you are missing the point. Every living thing evolves to adapt to it's
surroundings as they change. Just because evolution is a fact, it doesn't mean
that men evolved from apes. Although Darwin put that forth as a possibility,
through further study he eventually came to the conclusion that men did NOT
evolve from apes.


--
Chris W

"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania

jim rosinski wrote:

Of course not. But I've never fully understood why bible-thumpers
expect non-believers to be persuaded by an argument that essentially
boils down to "It's true because I say it's true" (e.g. the lead
article in this thread), or "It's true because it says so in the
bible".

Part of the explanation why such poor argumentation technique can
nevertheless lead to converts, I think, lies in promises made by
Evangelical Christianity. The slate of a wasted life of immorality
and corruption can be wiped clean and eternal salvation guaranteed by
doing nothing more than accepting Jesus Christ as your savior. What a
deal!

Not all religions believe it is just a simple matter of accepting Jesus Christ.
Also, while many try and use the poor argument you described to "convert"
people, I think anyone that really understands scripture, knows that no argument
made by anyone can truly convert, if a person is to be converted, that is
something that must happen between them and God. All proselyting is for is to
introduce others to a believe, the conversion is then completely out of the
hands of the proselyter.


--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206
N35° 20.492'
W97° 34.342'

"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania

On 2003-11-23 10:29:57 -0800, Thomas Borchert said:

Larry,

Is the truth any less true just because someone chooses not to believe it?


A truth that needs "believing in" is not a truth. Read that definition
again!

I would agree that the truth does not need belief in order to be true. No problem.
But when a statement is made, whether it be truth or not, there is a choice - believe,
or do not believe. A choice not to believe a statement of truth does not make it
any less true.