Bible-beater pilots

But, you can prove it to yourself. "If any of you lacks wisdom (the
knowledge of God and His nature), he should ask God, who gives generously
to
all without finding fault, and it will be given to him."

Really? I've asked God questions many times throughout my life. I've
attended parochial schools, attended Mass, gone to catechism classes, went
on to Bible Study classes, and taken college-level World Religion classes.

I've attended services of every viable organized religion, and spoken with
their representatives. I've open-mindedly debated the issue with some of
the finest minds around. I've often asked God for answers to the questions
that science (thus far) can't answer.

Thus far, regretfully, I haven't heard back from Him (Her?).

I'll post here when I do.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

I'll post here when I do.

I wouldn't do that, if I were you. There are still many places in the U.S. in
which claiming to hear voices like that is a straight ticket to the looney bin.

It's gotten better, though. They burned Joan d'Arc.

George Patterson
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something that can
be learned no other way.

You missed my point - I'm not saying God will give you the answer to
everything you don't understand - I said that God will reveal His nature to
you - that is the essence of real wisdom.

Humankind being what it is, we tend to think we have a right to understand
everything. I myself did all the things you spoke of - raised Catholic,
studied all the religions, etc.

I'd like to understand why God allows such things as Hitler, Stalin,
terrorism, pain and suffering of innocent children, etc. but have come to
realize that His ways are greater than mine. Again, it is the conceit of man
that we have a right to understand - that's what Satan promised Adam and
Eve - "You shall not surely die... God knows that when you eat of it your
eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

We place ourselves at the level of gods, thinking that if we can reason
something out, we can then understand it and thereby bring it under our
control. That is the essence of our "sin" - we think we have a right to
ourselves and to control our destiny.

We were created by God for His purposes - not ours. He is the Supreme
Being - not us. We don't care for that and want to bring God down to our
level by saying that we understand God. And when we can't do that, we say He
doesn't exist (I did that for some time) or that He is in nature or that He
doesn't care or that He is dead or anything that help us understand what's
happening.

Like I said, focus on the simple truths. That's not something the world
cherishes today.


John

"John" wrote in message
hlink.net...
You missed my point - I'm not saying God will give you the answer to
everything you don't understand - I said that God will reveal His nature
to
you - that is the essence of real wisdom.

I have been hearing that one for over 50 years but have never experienced it
nor have I ever met anyone who has. Could you provide real life examples
from average Joe type folks. Zealots need not apply.

You missed my point - I'm not saying God will give you the answer to
everything you don't understand - I said that God will reveal His nature
to
you - that is the essence of real wisdom.

I have been hearing that one for over 50 years but have never experienced
it
nor have I ever met anyone who has. Could you provide real life examples
from average Joe type folks. Zealots need not apply.

Yes, please. I "second" Dave's request!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:43:49 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote:

I have been hearing that one for over 50 years but have never experienced it
nor have I ever met anyone who has. Could you provide real life examples
from average Joe type folks. Zealots need not apply.

No point to it, if "average Joe" is defined as someone who has not had
a religious experience, and "zealot" defined as someone who has.

I can't be sure that sharing real life examples will just be
disrespectfully slapped down, so I think anyone with something that
precious is probably smart enough to abstain.

Rob, abstaining

--
[You] don't make your kids P.C.-proof by keeping them
ignorant, you do it by helping them learn how to
educate themselves.

-- Orson Scott Card

Rob, abstaining wrote:
===========
No point to it, if "average Joe" is defined as someone who has not had
a religious experience, and "zealot" defined as someone who has.

I can't be sure that sharing real life examples will just be
disrespectfully slapped down, so I think anyone with something that
precious is probably smart enough to abstain.

=============

Me too - I'm done!

Matthew 7:6

**********Me too - I'm done!

**********Matthew 7:6


Thank God!

John wrote:

We were created by God for His purposes - not ours. He is the Supreme
Being - not us. We don't care for that and want to bring God down to our
level by saying that we understand God. And when we can't do that, we say
He doesn't exist (I did that for some time) or that He is in nature or
that He doesn't care or that He is dead or anything that help us
understand what's happening.

Like I said, focus on the simple truths. That's not something the world
cherishes today.

The simple truth that you believe yourself - and everyone else - to be
chattel? The simple truth that you assign your morality to some outside
party, and will do anything you believe it commands of you? The simple
truth that you believe you've no choice in the matter because you're merely
property?

It's little wonder that religion serves as a tool for manipulation of the
masses by those with malice or greed in their hearts.

But remember: you were just following orders.

- Andrew

John wrote:

You missed my point - I'm not saying God will give you the answer to
everything you don't understand - I said that God will reveal His nature to
you - that is the essence of real wisdom.


It's apparent that you feel God "has revealed his true nature" to you.
So what happens if
He reveals his true nature to me, and that nature is nothing like what
you experienced?
For many people that answer would be obvious - I must have been fooled
by a false god.
And yet I can't help but wonder, why is it not possible for them to be
wrong?

Rich Lemert