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Old November 24th 03, 07:16 PM
Maule Driver
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"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
online.com...
In retrospect, I was kind of glad this occurred while wearing my selfish
hat. Both TEB and MMU are becoming increasingly unfriendly to we 100LL
burners. Pushing more charter business at CDW would, I imagine, cause the
same thing to occur there. So the lack of the glideslope is, I thought,
good for some of us.

But I just read the article on WAAS and precision GPS approaches in the
current IFR. Now, I wonder...

Once this sort of thing really comes online, how will that impact MacDan's
charter business? If a WAAS-based precision approach is put in at CDW,
won't that do whatever the glideslope would have done for their business?
And might that not cause CDW to become less "spam can" friendly, as has
been occurring with TEB and MMU?

What makes an airport less span can friendly? Tangibles like prices and
possibly policies. Or intangibles like perceived attitudes and ?

I'm not challenging the assertion, just asking.

I flew out of CDW some years ago and have visited on occassion. It has
location. It seems to lack decent runways and facilities for the jet crowd.
Don't know about TEB but MMU never seemed to welcome light GA. When I was
training at CDW, we just didn't go to MMU. I've heard since that they have
discouraging fee practices. After flying in NJ for years I feel like I fell
into aviation heaven down here in NC where it seems every county in the
state has a 5-6,000 foot runway with ILS - or they are currently expanding
to that standard. Some of them are busy, and some just sit there for your
consideration.

I've stopped avoiding busy and/or large airports when they are the most
convenient landing spot. And more often than not, I've found them to be
good light GA travel stops. Not sure I'd want to be based at some of them.
The only tangible factor is 100ll prices.

I'


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Old November 24th 03, 07:21 PM
Andrew Gideon
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Maule Driver wrote:

I'm not challenging the assertion, just asking.


I really should have been more clear. Sorry. I meant price.

[...]
Don't know about TEB but MMU never seemed to welcome light GA. When I was
training at CDW, we just didn't go to MMU. I've heard since that they
have
discouraging fee practices.


As I understand it, MMU has had an operation fee for a while. However,
there was something "funny" about it. Like, perhaps you could do multiple
approaches and be charged for only one "operation"?

But they were still, supposedly, reasonably priced for tie-downs and such.
Recently, however, this has apparently changed. It's one of the factoids
about which I'm very unclear. Perhaps someone based at MMU here can
provide more details (or tell me that I'm mistaken).

After flying in NJ for years I feel like I
fell into aviation heaven down here in NC where it seems every county in
the state has a 5-6,000 foot runway with ILS - or they are currently
expanding
to that standard. Some of them are busy, and some just sit there for your
consideration.


So...how many counties do you have?

- Andrew

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Old November 24th 03, 11:36 PM
Maule Driver
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"Andrew Gideon" After flying in NJ for years I feel
like I
fell into aviation heaven down here in NC where it seems every county in
the state has a 5-6,000 foot runway with ILS - or they are currently
expanding
to that standard. Some of them are busy, and some just sit there for

your
consideration.


So...how many counties do you have?

I'm exaggerating... a lot. But it doesn't seem that way sometimes. I
watched KEXX Lexington County rip up the runway, turn it and grow it (thanks
NASCAR). No ILS though since KRUQ Rowan County is 10 miles down the road.
KTTA Sanford/ Lee County abandoned theirs and put up a new ILS equipped
6,000 footer. Still looks like it serves a pine forest. KTDF Person Co.
just lengthened and put in an ILS. That's my favorite practice approach.
KJNX Johnston County has 5500 and an ILS - probably for the nameless hangar
at one end of the airport (CIA?). KVUJ Stanley County - I fell in there one
day for passenger relief (there's no other reason to go there). Cheap gas
and nice runway and all but it's too long. So they have a short parallel
runway for Nat Guard C130 short field work or something - thankyou again US
Gov. KSVH Statesville north of Charlotte is getting ready to lengthen for
Lowe's new HQ I guess.

There are lots of counties in between I guess. But I'm still amazed at the
growth and expansion after living in Jersey where it seems all GA airports
were endangered. Of course there's a lot more stuff in Jersey and
suprisingly little down here in NC.

Thanks for an excuse to ramble.


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Old November 24th 03, 11:54 PM
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I think it's mostly attitude, but the price of landing fees and avgas can figure
into it, too.

Dave Reinhart


Maule Driver wrote:

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
online.com...
In retrospect, I was kind of glad this occurred while wearing my selfish
hat. Both TEB and MMU are becoming increasingly unfriendly to we 100LL
burners. Pushing more charter business at CDW would, I imagine, cause the
same thing to occur there. So the lack of the glideslope is, I thought,
good for some of us.

But I just read the article on WAAS and precision GPS approaches in the
current IFR. Now, I wonder...

Once this sort of thing really comes online, how will that impact MacDan's
charter business? If a WAAS-based precision approach is put in at CDW,
won't that do whatever the glideslope would have done for their business?
And might that not cause CDW to become less "spam can" friendly, as has
been occurring with TEB and MMU?

What makes an airport less span can friendly? Tangibles like prices and
possibly policies. Or intangibles like perceived attitudes and ?

I'm not challenging the assertion, just asking.

I flew out of CDW some years ago and have visited on occassion. It has
location. It seems to lack decent runways and facilities for the jet crowd.
Don't know about TEB but MMU never seemed to welcome light GA. When I was
training at CDW, we just didn't go to MMU. I've heard since that they have
discouraging fee practices. After flying in NJ for years I feel like I fell
into aviation heaven down here in NC where it seems every county in the
state has a 5-6,000 foot runway with ILS - or they are currently expanding
to that standard. Some of them are busy, and some just sit there for your
consideration.

I've stopped avoiding busy and/or large airports when they are the most
convenient landing spot. And more often than not, I've found them to be
good light GA travel stops. Not sure I'd want to be based at some of them.
The only tangible factor is 100ll prices.

I'


 




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