New Aviation Terminology

They were preparing to depart, awaiting their clearance.

You don't await IFR clearance sitting on the runway. I don't care what kind of
airplane you are, or why you diverted. When waiting for an IFR clearance, you
stay off the runway.

Jose

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"Teacherjh" wrote in message
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You don't await IFR clearance sitting on the runway. I don't care what
kind of
airplane you are, or why you diverted. When waiting for an IFR clearance,
you
stay off the runway.


At a controlled field you wait where ATC tells you to wait.

At a controlled field you wait where ATC tells you to wait.

I suppose, but what right-minded controller would plant a 737 on a runway to
wait for an IFR clearance? In my mind, an ex-controller, or a =very= unusual
circumstance.

Jose

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On 26 Nov 2003 05:48:24 GMT, (Teacherjh)
wrote:

At a controlled field you wait where ATC tells you to wait.

I suppose, but what right-minded controller would plant a 737 on a runway to
wait for an IFR clearance? In my mind, an ex-controller, or a =very= unusual
circumstance.

I dunno. A jetport in the Azores probably *is* an unusual place. I
wonder what the daily traffic volume is.

Don

"Don Tuite" wrote in message
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I dunno. A jetport in the Azores probably *is* an unusual place. I
wonder what the daily traffic volume is.

To go back to the original crash - at the time the airport was littered with
large airliners because the weather in Europe was horrible and they'd all
landed there to wait it out. So they were back-taxing aircraft on the active
runway because the taxi-ways were full.

It was an unusual day at that airport, it became infamous!

Mat

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Matthew Waugh wrote:
"Don Tuite" wrote in message
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I dunno. A jetport in the Azores probably *is* an unusual place. I
wonder what the daily traffic volume is.


To go back to the original crash - at the time the airport was littered with
large airliners because the weather in Europe was horrible and they'd all
landed there to wait it out. So they were back-taxing aircraft on the active
runway because the taxi-ways were full.

It was an unusual day at that airport, it became infamous!

Don't know about the weather in Europe, but it was certainly bad in the
Canaries with fog and low-lying clouds creating very poor visibility. The
intended airport in the islands for both flights was at Las Palmas, but
that airport had closed due to a bomb explosion at the terminal and claims
of a second bomb. As a result the involved planes and others were diverted
to Tenerife resulting in very crowded conditions at the airport there -
and, as stated, using the active runway for back-taxiing. The accident
occurred after Las Palmas reopened and the planes diverted to Tenerife were
being sent back there. Definitely an unusual day.

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 at 12:17:22 in message
, Matthew Waugh
wrote:

To go back to the original crash - at the time the airport was littered with
large airliners because the weather in Europe was horrible and they'd all
landed there to wait it out. So they were back-taxing aircraft on the active
runway because the taxi-ways were full.

Weather varies considerably across Europe so it is rare for the weather
in Europe to be horrible everywhere. The weather was a vital, but local
factor in that accident. Whether the Canary islands are even part of
Europe is debatable. Unusually there was cloud and fog in Tenerife.

Leaving your generalisation aside the cause of all the congestion was
that a small bomb had gone off in the passenger terminal at Las Palmas.
There had been a 15 minute warning of that but then there was then a
second warning about another bomb. There was little option but to close
the airport while a big search was conducted. The many flights
approaching at that time had to be diverted and they were sent to Los
Rodeos, the other Canary Islands international airport, 50 miles away on
the island of Tenerife. It had a single runway and had neither taxi ways
nor parking to handle double its normal daily traffic. The apron was
fully occupied when the KLM 747 arrived. Then the Pan Am 747 arrived.

That is just the starting point for what happened. I am not going
through all the rest of it - it is well documented but please get the
basics roughly correct.
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David CL Francis

"Teacherjh" wrote in message
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I suppose, but what right-minded controller would plant a 737 on a runway
to
wait for an IFR clearance? In my mind, an ex-controller, or a =very=
unusual
circumstance.


It was a 747. The controller didn't plant him on the runway so that he
could wait for an IFR clearance, he was taxiing for takeoff while the
clearance was on request. Nor did he wait on the runway for his IFR
clearance, he was issued the IFR clearance and still had to wait for the
runway to become available for his takeoff.

Nor did he wait on the runway for his IFR
clearance, he was issued the IFR clearance and still had to wait for the
runway to become available for his takeoff.


Ok, I thought he got his IFR clearance while in position... implying he was on
the runway without an IFR clearance at least for some point.

Jos

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"Teacherjh" wrote in message
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Ok, I thought he got his IFR clearance while in position... implying he
was on
the runway without an IFR clearance at least for some point.


He did get his IFR clearance while on the runway, but that did not delay his
departure. Being on the runway without an IFR clearance is not a problem.