Bible-beater pilots

That's what I have against many organized religions, they allow the
membership to break their own covenants and continue on as if nothing ever
happened.

Agree 100%. In fact, one of the main problems we had with Catholicism was
the fact that every Catholic church in America seemed to interpret the laws
of the church differently.

For example, if you are Catholic, you are forbidden from using birth
control -- period. No ifs, ands or buts about it, you are FORBIDDEN from
taking the Pill, or using a condom. Yet the vast majority of American
"Catholic" women admit to using birth control.

Worse, the churches themselves do this little "nudge-nudge, wink-wink" thing
around the issue, allowing their members to continue in the church even
thought they know about the transgressors.

Not that I have anything against birth control -- I don't -- but if you want
to call yourself a "Catholic", follow their rules. If you want to use the
Pill, fine -- just don't make a sham of the church and call yourself a
"Catholic".

It's this kind of utter hypocrisy that drove Mary and me away from organized
religion.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"More and more people are leaving the Church and going back to God."

(Lenny Bruce)


Jim


"Jay Honeck"
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

-
-It's this kind of utter hypocrisy that drove Mary and me away from organized
-religion.

Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

And that is precisely why you should respect these folks you had a hard time
with - they were at least acting consistently with their religion. Instead
of bad-mouthing them you should recognize at least that they were not being
hypocrites like you feel that all the rest of organized religion.


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:vYPxb.338356$HS4.2896996@attbi_s01...
That's what I have against many organized religions, they allow the
membership to break their own covenants and continue on as if nothing
ever
happened.

Agree 100%. In fact, one of the main problems we had with Catholicism was
the fact that every Catholic church in America seemed to interpret the
laws
of the church differently.

For example, if you are Catholic, you are forbidden from using birth
control -- period. No ifs, ands or buts about it, you are FORBIDDEN from
taking the Pill, or using a condom. Yet the vast majority of American
"Catholic" women admit to using birth control.

Worse, the churches themselves do this little "nudge-nudge, wink-wink"
thing
around the issue, allowing their members to continue in the church even
thought they know about the transgressors.

Not that I have anything against birth control -- I don't -- but if you
want
to call yourself a "Catholic", follow their rules. If you want to use the
Pill, fine -- just don't make a sham of the church and call yourself a
"Catholic".

It's this kind of utter hypocrisy that drove Mary and me away from
organized
religion.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

And that is precisely why you should respect these folks you had a hard
time
with - they were at least acting consistently with their religion.
Instead
of bad-mouthing them you should recognize at least that they were not
being
hypocrites like you feel that all the rest of organized religion.

Augh! Talk about "damned if you do, damned if you don't"...

I don't think a person has to be rude to be true to ones faith.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Richard Hertz" wrote:
And that is precisely why you should respect these folks you had
a hard time with - they were at least acting consistently with their
religion.

What is that, an excuse? We should respect rude, aggressive
proselytizers because they are able to convince themselves God wants
them to behave that way? Islamic terrorists use that exact
rationalization.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

Um, no - he was free to leave any time. He joined them for a meal, they
chatted about stuff, then the topic came to religion. What is rude? Just
say "Sorry, bye." and go on your way. No need to make fun of people or name
call.

I think the terrorism thing is a bit overstated, don't you? Not at all the
same thing. What was aggressive? Jay could have walked away any time, or
asked to drop the subject.

I think the religion thing is a waste of time, however I am at least
respectful of people's religions - especially the ones that are consistent.


"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...
"Richard Hertz" wrote:
And that is precisely why you should respect these folks you had
a hard time with - they were at least acting consistently with their
religion.

What is that, an excuse? We should respect rude, aggressive
proselytizers because they are able to convince themselves God wants
them to behave that way? Islamic terrorists use that exact
rationalization.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

It can be uncomfortable to leave in that situation. Especially after one has
already started eating. Some might feel they are being rude to leave. (I
wouldn't in this situation) And you've already got your food started, you
silverware being used, your drink on the table. You napkin unfolded or
whatever. It's just plain a pain in the ass to have to move. However, after
asking once to change the subject, if it didn't change I'd make as many
trips as necessary to get as far away from them as possible. And I'd
probably (now this is me talking) make as big a production as I could of it.
Might just embarass them enough to knock it off next time. Probably not,
though.

mike regish

"Richard Hertz" wrote in message
t...
Um, no - he was free to leave any time. He joined them for a meal, they
chatted about stuff, then the topic came to religion. What is rude?
Just
say "Sorry, bye." and go on your way. No need to make fun of people or
name
call.

I think the terrorism thing is a bit overstated, don't you? Not at all
the
same thing. What was aggressive? Jay could have walked away any time, or
asked to drop the subject.

I think the religion thing is a waste of time, however I am at least
respectful of people's religions - especially the ones that are
consistent.


"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...
"Richard Hertz" wrote:
And that is precisely why you should respect these folks you had
a hard time with - they were at least acting consistently with their
religion.

What is that, an excuse? We should respect rude, aggressive
proselytizers because they are able to convince themselves God wants
them to behave that way? Islamic terrorists use that exact
rationalization.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

whatever. It's just plain a pain in the ass to have to move. However,
after
asking once to change the subject, if it didn't change I'd make as many
trips as necessary to get as far away from them as possible. And I'd
probably (now this is me talking) make as big a production as I could of
it.
Might just embarass them enough to knock it off next time. Probably not,
though.

In my younger days (and if Mary was not with me), I most certainly would
have done exactly THAT.

Nowadays, I'm so danged mellow, I'll put up with just about anything --
especially if there's an all-you-can-eat buffet nearby.... ;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Richard Hertz wrote:

And that is precisely why you should respect these folks you had a hard time
with - they were at least acting consistently with their religion.

I suppose you have a great deal of respect for telemarketers too?

George Patterson
Some people think they hear a call to the priesthood when what they really
hear is a tiny voice whispering "It's indoor work with no heavy lifting".

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


Richard Hertz wrote:

And that is precisely why you should respect these folks you had a hard
time
with - they were at least acting consistently with their religion.

I suppose you have a great deal of respect for telemarketers too?

He probably is one.

George Patterson
Some people think they hear a call to the priesthood when what they
really
hear is a tiny voice whispering "It's indoor work with no heavy
lifting".