Va and negative g's & fun non-acrobatic maneuvers

Yes, that was funny -- I seem to recall they floated a weiner dog or
something small like that...




"mike regish" wrote in message news:0yuzb.19348$_M.65660@attbi_s54...
Ever see the Americas Funniest Video where the camera shows two people in
the front seat of a small plane. The shadow is changing, but you can't tell
what they're up to untill the dog comes floating up out of the back seat,
does a quarter turn and floats up in between them.

It's hilarious.

mike regish

"Rich Stowell" wrote in message
om...
FAR 91.303, Aerobatic Flight, states in pertinent part:

"For the purposes of this section, aerobatic flight means an
intentional maneuver involving an abrupt change in an aircraft's
attitude, an abnormal attitude, or an abnormal acceleration, not
neccessary for normal flight."

In the context of the Cessna 172, it could be argued (especially by an
ornery FAA-type) that the "float the pencil" maneuver results in both
"an abnormal attitude" and an "abnormal acceleration," and is "not
necessary for normal flight."

What exactly constitutes an "aerobatic maneuver" is left open for
interpretation, and in the end depends on who's looking...

And while the reply below is good, it is debatable whether or not it
is the ONLY sensible one thus far. Given that the original poster has
never done this before, isn't it prudent to suggest he get some dual
in the particular maneuver before attempting it by himself, or worse,
attempting it for the first time with the plane loaded with someone
else's kids???

Rich
http://www.richstowell.com



Robert Moore wrote in message
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(Dan Thomas) wrote

It can be done from cruise speed. Pull up into a shallow climb,
then start pushing forward, increasing pressure until the pencil
comes off the panel. It'll feel like negative G's but isn't. The
only stress on the airplane occurs when you pull out of the
shallow dive created by the maneuver. You don't have to get the
nose way up or down at all, and it doesn't require abrupt, or
anywhere near full, control inputs. Kids love it.

The ONLY sensible post in this whole thread! I "float" stuff with
all of my new students, makes them feel like an astronaut. And
that's in a Cessna-172. Who cares if the engine sputters? All of
you sissies go back to MSFS. Its not an aerobatic maneuver and
doesn't require areobatic training!

Bob Moore
ATP CFI

aolMe too!/aol

Robert Moore wrote
(Dan Thomas) wrote
It can be done from cruise speed. Pull up into a shallow climb,
then start pushing forward, increasing pressure until the pencil
comes off the panel. It'll feel like negative G's but isn't. The
only stress on the airplane occurs when you pull out of the
shallow dive created by the maneuver. You don't have to get the
nose way up or down at all, and it doesn't require abrupt, or
anywhere near full, control inputs. Kids love it.

The ONLY sensible post in this whole thread! I "float" stuff with
all of my new students, makes them feel like an astronaut. And
that's in a Cessna-172. Who cares if the engine sputters? All of
you sissies go back to MSFS. Its not an aerobatic maneuver and
doesn't require areobatic training!

Bob Moore
ATP CFI

"Normal" flight. I once gave an instructor a headache. I was
getting checked out in a 130hp 150 aerobat. We did a short/
obstructed field take-off, climbing at around 60mph, seeing only
sky through the windscreen. He pulled the throttle on me for an
EFATO. I managed to not lose any airspeed (that I could see)
and get it going 60mph downhill...and giving the instructor's head
a knock on the ceiling as I did it. He remarked that it wasn't quite
so critical to get the nose down so quickly.

Paul

"Robert Moore" wrote in message
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I "float" stuff with
all of my new students, makes them feel like an astronaut. And
that's in a Cessna-172.

Paul Sengupta wrote:

He remarked that it wasn't quite so critical to get the nose down so quickly.

I didn't like stalls in my primary training. With the Cessna, you get the nose
a bit down, put the throttle in, get the carb heat off, and bring the flaps up.
I would slam the throttle forward with the palm of my hand, while getting the
carb heat off with my thumb. My instructor said it wasn't necessary to move that
fast.

After the third practice run for the day, she told me that she had recently had
a candidate who had been criticized by the examiner for not getting the plane
cleaned up rapidly enough. She said "When I send you over, I'm going to call him
up and say 'Have I got a candidate for you!'".

George Patterson
Some people think they hear a call to the priesthood when what they really
hear is a tiny voice whispering "It's indoor work with no heavy lifting".

If I moved the throttle forward too quickly on the 172 I learned
on, there would be an almighty bang as it backfired and it would
cough and splutter and take longer to pick up again. I learned
quickly to move the throttle forward smoothly!

Paul

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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I would slam the throttle forward with the palm of my hand, while getting
the
carb heat off with my thumb. My instructor said it wasn't necessary to
move that
fast.

"Paul Sengupta" wrote in
message ...
If I moved the throttle forward too quickly on the 172 I learned
on, there would be an almighty bang as it backfired and it would
cough and splutter and take longer to pick up again. I learned
quickly to move the throttle forward smoothly!

Paul

Oh, I do love stalls, you could get great stalls in a Beagle Pup.
Sadly I only had one day of stalls and we lost our flying field, our
Instructors before I got to spins. I'm sure I would have loved spins,
however neither the Rallye 100 nor a piper cherokee are cleared for
spin training, anyway we don't do full spin training anymore.:-)
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Cheers,
Jonathan Lowe.
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I don't care if it spelt properly
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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I would slam the throttle forward with the palm of my hand, while
getting
the
carb heat off with my thumb. My instructor said it wasn't
necessary to
move that
fast.