It was 62 years ago today...

I'll chime in here and ask my fellow American countrymen what year the Nazi
party rose to power. The event of Pearl Harbor was important, but the date
probably wouldn't be remembered by any that weren't alive at the time here
in the UK. It's not a seminal date in their history, any more than the date
Germany invaded Poland is important in the US. Likewise, most Americans
don't know when Paris was liberated, but I'll bet most French people have
some idea.

Shawn
"Michael 182" wrote in message
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"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 19:34:55 GMT, Geoffrey Barnes wrote:


*hmmm* still no clue ... well, *googling* ... oh. Pearl Harbor.
Hm, not that important of a date here in Europe and/but well known in
the
US, I assume.

Come on Martin - I agree with a lot of your posts that accuse the US of a
provinicial world-view, but to say Pearl Harbor was not a date important
in
world history is ludicrous. It was the precipitating event that drew the
US
into WWII, which, as I remember, had a pretty large effect on Europe.
Saying
Pearl Harbor is an unimportant date in European history is like saying the
rise of Nazism was unimportant in US history.

Bob, Shawn,

Read the thread. The confusion about date versus event was cleared up
yesterday.

Michael

"ShawnD2112" wrote in message
...
I'll chime in here and ask my fellow American countrymen what year the
Nazi
party rose to power. The event of Pearl Harbor was important, but the
date
probably wouldn't be remembered by any that weren't alive at the time here
in the UK. It's not a seminal date in their history, any more than the
date
Germany invaded Poland is important in the US. Likewise, most Americans
don't know when Paris was liberated, but I'll bet most French people have
some idea.

Shawn
"Michael 182" wrote in message
news:aX5Bb.473209$Fm2.460844@attbi_s04...

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 19:34:55 GMT, Geoffrey Barnes wrote:


*hmmm* still no clue ... well, *googling* ... oh. Pearl Harbor.
Hm, not that important of a date here in Europe and/but well known in
the
US, I assume.

Come on Martin - I agree with a lot of your posts that accuse the US of
a
provinicial world-view, but to say Pearl Harbor was not a date important
in
world history is ludicrous. It was the precipitating event that drew the
US
into WWII, which, as I remember, had a pretty large effect on Europe.
Saying
Pearl Harbor is an unimportant date in European history is like saying
the
rise of Nazism was unimportant in US history.

Roger that. Noticed after I transmitted. Still, it was a fun debate to
follow...
"Michael 182" wrote in message
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Bob, Shawn,

Read the thread. The confusion about date versus event was cleared up
yesterday.

Michael

"ShawnD2112" wrote in message
...
I'll chime in here and ask my fellow American countrymen what year the
Nazi
party rose to power. The event of Pearl Harbor was important, but the
date
probably wouldn't be remembered by any that weren't alive at the time
here
in the UK. It's not a seminal date in their history, any more than the
date
Germany invaded Poland is important in the US. Likewise, most Americans
don't know when Paris was liberated, but I'll bet most French people
have
some idea.

Shawn
"Michael 182" wrote in message
news:aX5Bb.473209$Fm2.460844@attbi_s04...

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 19:34:55 GMT, Geoffrey Barnes wrote:


*hmmm* still no clue ... well, *googling* ... oh. Pearl Harbor.
Hm, not that important of a date here in Europe and/but well known
in
the
US, I assume.

Come on Martin - I agree with a lot of your posts that accuse the US
of
a
provinicial world-view, but to say Pearl Harbor was not a date
important
in
world history is ludicrous. It was the precipitating event that drew
the
US
into WWII, which, as I remember, had a pretty large effect on Europe.
Saying
Pearl Harbor is an unimportant date in European history is like saying
the
rise of Nazism was unimportant in US history.

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:31:49 -0000, "ShawnD2112"
wrote:

I'll chime in here and ask my fellow American countrymen what year the Nazi
party rose to power.

1933. And I have to say, "na und?", because I suspect I'm
statistically unique among Americans for knowing it.

Rob, who didn't Google for the answer

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:36:44 GMT, Rob Perkins
wrote:

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:31:49 -0000, "ShawnD2112"
wrote:

I'll chime in here and ask my fellow American countrymen what year the Nazi
party rose to power.

1933. And I have to say, "na und?", because I suspect I'm
statistically unique among Americans for knowing it.

Rob, who didn't Google for the answer

I also knew the answer, but then I've been reading on World War II
history since I was a kid back in the 50's.

Corky Scott

Rob Perkins writes:

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:31:49 -0000, "ShawnD2112"
wrote:

I'll chime in here and ask my fellow American countrymen what year the Nazi
party rose to power.

1933. And I have to say, "na und?", because I suspect I'm
statistically unique among Americans for knowing it.

Reasonably likely. I thought 1933, but I already know I'm
statistically unique in a lot of ways myself (love the phrase,
incidentally).

Pearl Harbor Day is well-remembered because we've just recently lost
the people who heard about it on the radio as a big shock (and not all
of them, there are still some around). The coming to power of the
Nazis wasn't the same sort of immediate shock, so far as I can tell
from reading histories (I wasn't there at the time; either time).

That is to say, the memory value of Pearl Harbor has exceeded its
historic importance for the past 50 years, but is now declining
rapidly.
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That is to say, the memory value of Pearl Harbor has exceeded its
historic importance for the past 50 years, but is now declining
rapidly.

In their times, "Remember the Maine!" and "Remember the Alamo!" rang with
the same resonance that "Remember Pearl Harbor!" does now.

Of course, for our generation, they've *all* been preempted by "Remember
September 11th!"
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