It was 62 years ago today...

Dave

I wonder which occupation zone Martin was in?

He may be bi-lingual and speak Russian also? If he grew up under the
Russians of that era I can understand where he is coming from.

I wonder why those who now enjoy the benefits of the US getting Into
the European phase of WWII and providing the hardware and majority of
manpower after Dunkirk and the surrender of France, have such a hard
time giving us credit.

I'm wondering if Martin feels he would have the lifestyle he has today
if Austria had continued to be occupied by Germany?

On the US remembrance of Pearl Harbor. It is none of anyone else's
business. It happened to us and our blood was spilled and we can give
remembrances as we see fit.

All that being said, I wish the H..... A..'s would just shut up and
step out of the picture. It's our date of remembrance, not theirs.


Big John

You get one more shot. I'm getting pretty close to the
end..................


On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:54:13 -0000, "Dave"
wrote:


"Big John" wrote in message Martin

Would have thought those in Europe would remember as it lead to the US
getting involved in the European conflict and helping to defeat
Germany, Italy, etc.

Big John

How short the memory. You probably would have been speaking German.

Big John your are a grade 1Asshole - Martin already speaks German, he is
Austrian.

The date of the attack on Pearl Harbour is not in grained on the minds of
Europeans. Lets face it we do not commemorate when the war started
(depending on which country you are from it started on different dates
anyway). The second world war did not start on 7 th December 1941. That was
only the date the Japanese gave the US an invitation to join the war they
could not refuse.

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:16:53 +0100, Martin Hotze
wrote:

I say, a couple of your border guards can be real martinets.)

martinets?

A martinet is a person with police or military authority who makes a
point of using all of it, especially to incovenience people or for
self-aggrandizement.

It's how I came, one day, to be liable for the import tax on a bicycle
which I didn't own, since my roommate didn't speak the best German. No
argument to the contrary would phase him; he was bound and determined
to collect that import tax, even though the language on importation of
personal goods was very clearly explained, and the both of us were
very properly registered in a nearby Austrian town.

100 whole shillings, that time. I filed a complaint with the border
authority before I left the country. An official there explained that
it should never have happened at all.

Rob

("Phil McAverty" wrote)
I don't think so. The single biggest event that really started the chain
of events leading to the end of the war was Hitler's decision to attack the
Soviet Union.

It was Hitler's biggest mistake - made the same mistake as Napoleon. The
mistake ended up destroying their armies. The Germans put their toughest
soldiers on the Eastern Front, leaving "softer" soldiers for the D Day
landing troops to face. Being in France was a holiday compared to the
Eastern Front.


If I have to rank this - I think Russia had more to do with the German
defeat in WWII than did the involvement of the US.

What Russia and Germany did to each other on the Eastern Front, from
1941-1945, is staggering to our western sensibilities.

Ultimately, Russia defeated the Germans ...with our help.

(Family note)
My Uncle didn't land on the Normandy beaches on D-Day, he went over a few
days later.
Uncle Jack enjoyed saying - "I beat Eisenhower to France!"

--
Montblack
http://lumma.de/mt/archives/bart.gif

"Rob Perkins" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:16:53 +0100, Martin Hotze
wrote:

I say, a couple of your border guards can be real martinets.)

martinets?

A martinet is a person with police or military authority who makes a
point of using all of it, especially to incovenience people or for
self-aggrandizement.

That description fits most Sheriffs

(Family note)
My Uncle didn't land on the Normandy beaches on D-Day, he went over a few
days later.
Uncle Jack enjoyed saying - "I beat Eisenhower to France!"

My Father -- a rear-echelon Captain in the Signal Corps during World War
II -- had nothing but wonderful things to say about his time in France.
(Although he didn't have anything good to say about the natives.) He
transferred there (from England) after the battle front was well into
Germany, and -- from the few tales he would tell -- his life consisted of
long periods of poker, partying and some minor military trials. Later, he
would assist at the Nuremburg trials, which wasn't so fun.

My Mother, who lived with her Mother-in-law for the duration of the war,
would always grow uncomfortable when the subject of his time in France was
broached. I never found out why, exactly, but I suspect there was a good
reason...

He did tell me that they bought there first post-war house with his poker
winnings!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
"Montblack" wrote in message
...
("Phil McAverty" wrote)
I don't think so. The single biggest event that really started the chain
of events leading to the end of the war was Hitler's decision to attack
the
Soviet Union.

It was Hitler's biggest mistake - made the same mistake as Napoleon. The
mistake ended up destroying their armies. The Germans put their toughest
soldiers on the Eastern Front, leaving "softer" soldiers for the D Day
landing troops to face. Being in France was a holiday compared to the
Eastern Front.


If I have to rank this - I think Russia had more to do with the German
defeat in WWII than did the involvement of the US.

What Russia and Germany did to each other on the Eastern Front, from
1941-1945, is staggering to our western sensibilities.

Ultimately, Russia defeated the Germans ...with our help.

(Family note)
My Uncle didn't land on the Normandy beaches on D-Day, he went over a few
days later.
Uncle Jack enjoyed saying - "I beat Eisenhower to France!"


--
Montblack
http://lumma.de/mt/archives/bart.gif

"Michael Nouak" wrote in message
...

"Tony Cox" schrieb im Newsbeitrag

Surely he should be speaking Australian?

I would call you a dumbass, but I am a nice person, so I _won't_ do
that....

http://sh1.antville.org/stories/601049/
http://www.hardnewscafe.usu.edu/opin..._austrian.html
http://www.austria-cafe.com/
http://www.sagen.at/texte/gegenwart/...sterreich.html


Hilarious! An e-mail designed to irritate that hit the mark
for once. I'd never realized that Austrians were so sensitive.

Cheers!

--
Dr. Tony Cox
Citrus Controls Inc.
e-mail:
http://CitrusControls.com/

Jay Honeck wrote:

My Father -- a rear-echelon Captain in the Signal Corps during World War
II -- had nothing but wonderful things to say about his time in France.

Mine was a BAR gunner with the "big red one". Hit the line about two weeks
before the Bulge. He didn't have much good to say about France. Or anyplace
else he fought. He was also at the trials.

George Patterson
Some people think they hear a call to the priesthood when what they really
hear is a tiny voice whispering "It's indoor work with no heavy lifting".

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:31:49 -0000, "ShawnD2112"
wrote:

I'll chime in here and ask my fellow American countrymen what year the Nazi
party rose to power.

1933. And I have to say, "na und?", because I suspect I'm
statistically unique among Americans for knowing it.

Rob, who didn't Google for the answer

My father was a field medic (He was a med student at the time). I can't
imagine the horrors he encountered, but I know he has never talked about
them or any other aspect of the war with his kids...

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:36:44 GMT, Rob Perkins
wrote:

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:31:49 -0000, "ShawnD2112"
wrote:

I'll chime in here and ask my fellow American countrymen what year the Nazi
party rose to power.

1933. And I have to say, "na und?", because I suspect I'm
statistically unique among Americans for knowing it.

Rob, who didn't Google for the answer

I also knew the answer, but then I've been reading on World War II
history since I was a kid back in the 50's.

Corky Scott