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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Um, he was appointed. I watched the whole thing.

Ah, Mike. Once again I must pull out the Big Guns....

Read it and weep...

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Jay -

Your map does not show what you think it shows.

This map details the number of counties won, which says nothing about the
popular vote or electoral votes. It does emphasize the rather odd metric
of squares miles per candidate. I'm not sure what that indicates other than
perhaps it indicates a rural vote favoring Bush.

If you do a web search you'll see reports of between 200,000 to 500,000
popular votes favoring Gore and of course an argument of what that really
means.



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On 10 Dec 2003 19:14:07 GMT ackatyu (Wdtabor) wrote:

In article kivBb.29415$ZE1.25509@fed1read04, "R. Hubbell"
writes:


I think you don't know what some US corporations are doing in other
"emerging" countries.

Providing a means for them to emerge.


I was talking about this emerge from the dictionary:
"to rise from an obscure or inferior position or condition"

So you assume that they are in an inferior position or condition
and that's part of the problem. And you must assume no matter
what the corporations to it's progress. But that's unfortunately
not true.



Don

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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:04:00 GMT "Jay Honeck" wrote:

I think you don't know what some US corporations are doing in other
"emerging" countries.

Enlighten us, please.


Well that might be a tall order. But if you are really interested in
becoming enlightned I would suggest that you seek out the stories yourself.
You know, why take my word for it?

Here's a start:

Union Carbide 100,000 people died from that catastrophe

Parents in India selling their children off to work in sweatshops
(there's no real shop to speak of, more like a hovel.) making cheap goods
for the "civilized" world.

The tropical hardwoods showing up in all manner of home furnishings are
coming from clear cutting that would make even the most hardened lumber
baron gasp.

It's all there if you really want to know. Heck Nat. Geographic had a story
recently from corners of the globe about exploit and indentured servitude
not just as local social problems but as a result of trying to keep the
price of goods absurdly low to undercut the country going even lower.

Those $5 picture frames will have a long term cost that cannot be paid back.


R. Hubbell

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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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It's amazing, isn't it? I don't pretend to
understand how they can possibly make that stuff
in Thailand cheaper than we can make it here --
the shipping alone has to cost 50% or more of that
six bucks.

I was just out shopping for my kid's Xmas presents.
On the shelf was a "real" "GI Joe", for $21.00. Next
to it was a knock-off that actually had MORE cool stuff,
for $4.99. Funny thing is, BOTH were made in China -- so
what's the difference? One said "Hasbro", and one was
"No Name" -- what do I care?

I bought TWO of the No-Names...

I'd guess that the Thai (and Chinese) people are simply
more dedicated to what they're trying to do economically
than we are...
--

Oh yes, that's right. The "Thai (and Chinese) people are simply more
dedicated to what they're trying to do economically than we are".

Perhaps the fact that the workers are paid 24 cents an hour and work 84
hours a week might have something to do with it. But who cares what the
Chinese are paid. We get our toys dirt-cheap.
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/business/7449186.htm


Earl G.

Jay Honeck ) wrote:
: I think you don't know what some US corporations are doing in other
: "emerging" countries.
:
: Enlighten us, please.
:
http://www.globalexchange.org/econom...01/survey.html
: Globalization Survey Reveals U.S. Corporations Prefer Dictatorships

"American businesses may say they believe in democracy, but they are
not putting their money where their mouth is, according to a report
by a Washington-based think tank..."

Corporations have a similar management style.

--Jerry Leslie
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In article ,
(leslie) wrote:

Jay Honeck ) wrote:
: I think you don't know what some US corporations are doing in other
: "emerging" countries.
:
: Enlighten us, please.
:
http://www.globalexchange.org/econom...01/survey.html
: Globalization Survey Reveals U.S. Corporations Prefer Dictatorships

"American businesses may say they believe in democracy, but they are
not putting their money where their mouth is, according to a report
by a Washington-based think tank..."

Corporations have a similar management style.

consumers in the US and across the world also have responsibility.

--
Bob Noel

"Earl Grieda" wrote in message
ink.net...
Perhaps the fact that the workers are paid 24 cents an hour and work 84
hours a week might have something to do with it. But who cares what the
Chinese are paid. We get our toys dirt-cheap.
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/business/7449186.htm


Earl G.


But Earl, How can this be? China is a Communist Worker's Paradise.

But you are right on one point. I couldn't care less how much China's
workers are paid.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:cMMBb.302393$Dw6.1006170@attbi_s02...

It's amazing, isn't it? I don't pretend to understand how they can
possibly
make that stuff in Thailand cheaper than we can make it here -- the
shipping
alone has to cost 50% or more of that six bucks.

One branch of our company ships entire computer systems to Eastern Europe
for about $16; it's slow, but my maintaining the pipeline timing, they
arrive "in time"


I'd guess that the Thai (and Chinese) people are simply more dedicated to
what they're trying to do economically than we are...


Well, having been brought up in poverty, they understand the work ethic,
something lost on most Americans. They want to do the job right; Americans
just want to do the job (and collect the paycheck).

Americans want to consume like free-marketers, but want to work like
socialists.

"Rosspilot" wrote in message
...
I am not attempting to enlighted anyone, but this morning, I was in a
store
shopping. (This is very rare for me).

I spotted a shrink-wrapped, shadowbox frame, 11x14, of exceptionally high
quality.
I use these types of items in my business, so I looked VERY closely at it.
It
was made in Thailand. Now here's the thing . . . it was selling for $
5.99.
The 8x10 was only $3.99.

So I ask myself, how can something this nice be made, packaged (these are
GLASS
and very fragile pieces), transported from the other side of the planet,
loaded
onto trucks, delivered, unpacked and placed for sale at $6? How can there
be
enough profit for all the parties involved in the process?

I'm guessing that the cost to make them in Thailand must be real low, huh?
G

The cost is low and the quality is high. Americans lose on both aspects.

I bought a dozen of each.

That's how they sell cheap...the produce in large volumes and have very low
rates of re-wrok and rejections.

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(leslie) wrote:

Jay Honeck ) wrote:
: I think you don't know what some US corporations are doing in other
: "emerging" countries.
:
: Enlighten us, please.
:
http://www.globalexchange.org/econom...01/survey.html
: Globalization Survey Reveals U.S. Corporations Prefer Dictatorships

"American businesses may say they believe in democracy, but they are
not putting their money where their mouth is, according to a report
by a Washington-based think tank..."

Corporations have a similar management style.

But...but..I thought they were "empowering" their employees?


consumers in the US and across the world also have responsibility.

For...????