Big Kahunas

In article oSTCb.3979$pY.3084@fed1read04, "R. Hubbell"
writes:

In other words, tell them how to live and how to use their property.


No, not in other words, in those words. We teach them. You know
"give a man a fish he eats for a day, teach him, he eats for a lifetime...."
Maybe useful to add... Teach him to manage the fishery and his children and
their children eat and so on and on.


Wow! It must be nice to be so sure of your superiority.

But even if that were true, what gives you the right to direct their lives?

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

On 14 Dec 2003 11:48:12 GMT ackatyu (Wdtabor) wrote:

In article oSTCb.3979$pY.3084@fed1read04, "R. Hubbell"
writes:

In other words, tell them how to live and how to use their property.


No, not in other words, in those words. We teach them. You know
"give a man a fish he eats for a day, teach him, he eats for a lifetime...."
Maybe useful to add... Teach him to manage the fishery and his children and
their children eat and so on and on.


Wow! It must be nice to be so sure of your superiority.

But even if that were true, what gives you the right to direct their lives?


I guess you're done since you don't have any counterpoint.


R. Hubbell


Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

In article qM0Db.5251$pY.2269@fed1read04, "R. Hubbell"
writes:

On 14 Dec 2003 11:48:12 GMT ackatyu (Wdtabor) wrote:

In article oSTCb.3979$pY.3084@fed1read04, "R. Hubbell"
writes:

In other words, tell them how to live and how to use their property.


No, not in other words, in those words. We teach them. You know
"give a man a fish he eats for a day, teach him, he eats for a
lifetime...."
Maybe useful to add... Teach him to manage the fishery and his children
and
their children eat and so on and on.


Wow! It must be nice to be so sure of your superiority.

But even if that were true, what gives you the right to direct their lives?



I guess you're done since you don't have any counterpoint.


Sure I did, it just went over your arrogant head.

Your priorities for their land and lives are not theirs. You don't live there
and you bear no risk if your Pollyanna ideas of land use fail, but their
children die if they accept your advice and it is wrong.

So, unless you can, in some way, underwrite your plans for their resources and
lives, you have no right to impose your vision of land use on them.

So long as you do not share the risks of failure, you have no right to make
their choices for them.

So, as I said before, if you think you can manage their land better than they
can, organize a consortium of like minded individuals and BUY their land from
them so that you bear the risk if your ideas don't work instead of them.
Otherwise, I'm sure if they want your enlightened advice, they can ask for it.

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

On 14 Dec 2003 18:32:45 GMT ackatyu (Wdtabor) wrote:

In article qM0Db.5251$pY.2269@fed1read04, "R. Hubbell"
writes:

On 14 Dec 2003 11:48:12 GMT ackatyu (Wdtabor) wrote:

In article oSTCb.3979$pY.3084@fed1read04, "R. Hubbell"
writes:

In other words, tell them how to live and how to use their property.


No, not in other words, in those words. We teach them. You know
"give a man a fish he eats for a day, teach him, he eats for a
lifetime...."
Maybe useful to add... Teach him to manage the fishery and his children
and
their children eat and so on and on.


Wow! It must be nice to be so sure of your superiority.

But even if that were true, what gives you the right to direct their lives?



I guess you're done since you don't have any counterpoint.


Sure I did, it just went over your arrogant head.


As I said before name calling means the argument is over. You had your chance.
And as you have done I wil repeat what I've said before.


Your priorities for their land and lives are not theirs. You don't live there
and you bear no risk if your Pollyanna ideas of land use fail, but their

Hardly "pollyanna", it's working in Gabon and it's working in Costa Rica and
elsewhere. IT's not working where we're buying $5 picture frames.


children die if they accept your advice and it is wrong.

The children are dying with the current model.



So, unless you can, in some way, underwrite your plans for their resources and
lives, you have no right to impose your vision of land use on them.

It's not my plan it's a plan that's working. It has to be the one that they
see has an end game instead of the current game which does not.



So long as you do not share the risks of failure, you have no right to make
their choices for them.

It's not my choice we only have to show them that the current approach won't
last for them. Once the resources are depleted that's it. Manage and nurture
it and it will last for generations.

We all share the risks of failure, but you don't see that for some reason.
A narrow world view perhaps.


So, as I said before, if you think you can manage their land better than they
can, organize a consortium of like minded individuals and BUY their land from
them so that you bear the risk if your ideas don't work instead of them.
Otherwise, I'm sure if they want your enlightened advice, they can ask for it.


They only need to look at successful land management that doesn't require selling
picture frames.


R. Hubbell


Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG