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Old December 14th 03, 05:45 PM
Carl Ellis
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It was derived from the numbers of illegals that apply for services

divided
by high/low estimates from INS. I don't remember the exact source, but it
came out in May, 2001.

AAMOF, my M-I-L, who is 88, has voted in every election since 1936, after
coming over from Scotland when she was nine yers old, and has NEVER become

a
US citizen (as she's now finding out the hard way as she applies for
assisted living for seniors).


Until you have a reference and data it's supposition and unproven. It's a
pretty far stretch from applying for services to voting.



Well, then let's talk about the flawed voter roll purges that occured in
both Texas and Florida.
http://dir.salon.com/politics/featur...ile/index.html


Really credible source, Salon is.


Ok here are more references.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/3594763.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer
http://www.examiner.com/opinion/defa...editorial0522w



The argument is AMERICANS...and that implies ONCE, LIVING, NOT A FELON...


A felony conviction does not permenantly remove your right to vote. If it
were I'm sure
Admiral Poindexter would be very disappointed. If you read the article you
would see that it's not just an issue with felons, it's also just the plain
sloppy job the company did, capturing people who had no conviction. Their
selection algorithm was just plain flawed.

I remember that in the first hours of the election returns Bush had a

54-46%
lead over Gore (at about the 35-45% of votes cast). Considering that rural
areas, Bush's strong points, are LATER in getting their numbers in,
something funky happened.


Again, just conjecture.


They never did look into the counties that had HUGH turnouts by dead

people,

Data please.

including several counties that Gore won that were very typical Bush
territory


Not inconceivable.

even more votes cast than people living there (New York and
Penn.).


Live in one county, work and vote in another. References?





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Old December 14th 03, 05:54 PM
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Carl Ellis wrote:

Live in one county, work and vote in another.


Everywhere I've lived, that was illegal.

George Patterson
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Old December 14th 03, 06:37 PM
Carl Ellis
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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Carl Ellis wrote:

Live in one county, work and vote in another.


Everywhere I've lived, that was illegal.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually

said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."



The working or the voting 8-).

I believe that in Oregon the out of district vote is treated like an
absentee vote. It is put aside, then residency is verified, then the vote
is counted. Of course you can't vote on local issues if you do this.

But I am not 100% positive on this.

- Carl -


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Old December 14th 03, 06:47 PM
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"Carl Ellis" wrote in message
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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Carl Ellis wrote:

Live in one county, work and vote in another.


Everywhere I've lived, that was illegal.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually

said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."



The working or the voting 8-).

I believe that in Oregon the out of district vote is treated like an
absentee vote. It is put aside, then residency is verified, then the vote
is counted. Of course you can't vote on local issues if you do this.

But I am not 100% positive on this.

- Carl -


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Looks like it's possible in Oregon. There doesn't seem to be any rule
for verifying the reason for the absence from your county of residence. In
practice this looks like it it treated like a normal absentee ballot for
which no justification is required either.
http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/253.html
253.135 Special absent elector procedures. (1) An elector who, on the day of
an election, will be absent from the county in which the elector is
registered may vote at the elections office of any county clerk or at any
polling site in this state.

(2) An elector voting under this section shall complete and sign a voter
registration card.

(3) The elector shall insert the ballot into a small envelope provided by
the election board and then shall insert the small envelope into a larger
envelope. The larger envelope shall be deposited into the ballot box.

(4) A ballot cast under this section shall be forwarded to the county clerk
of the county in which the elector resides not later than the eighth day
after the election. The ballot shall be counted in the county in which the
elector resides if the elector is qualified to vote in that county. A vote
shall be counted only if the elector is qualified to vote for the particular
office or on the measure.


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