Presidential TFR @ Kill Devil Hills

Ok.. at the risk of interrupting the partisanship here...

What makes you think that if the next prez is a Democrat that the SS..
er Secret Service will not still insist on a 60 mile diameter bubble?

Dave

Blanche wrote:

Take the announcement (the TFR) then get Phil Boyer's comments and
quote. Send to every television, radio and newspaper in your area.
This is nothing more than the same stunt as landing the jet on
the carrier and he walks out wearing a flight suit.

This is even better if you're a registered Republican. Send the
letter to your local Republican committee HQ with a complaint.

He uses the media. You use the media. There are more of us to
make the case to the media.

Even better -- find out who in the local media are pilots. Enlist
them.

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:05:39 GMT Dave S wrote:

Ok.. at the risk of interrupting the partisanship here...

What makes you think that if the next prez is a Democrat that the SS..
er Secret Service will not still insist on a 60 mile diameter bubble?


You're really trying to spoil all the fun! We can only hope that the
next president will be more enlightened. And keep up the pressure on
how silly they are in the press and support AOPA.


R. Hubbell


Dave

Blanche wrote:

Take the announcement (the TFR) then get Phil Boyer's comments and
quote. Send to every television, radio and newspaper in your area.
This is nothing more than the same stunt as landing the jet on
the carrier and he walks out wearing a flight suit.

This is even better if you're a registered Republican. Send the
letter to your local Republican committee HQ with a complaint.

He uses the media. You use the media. There are more of us to
make the case to the media.

Even better -- find out who in the local media are pilots. Enlist
them.

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:27:50 -0800, R. Hubbell wrote:

next president will be more enlightened. And keep up the pressure on
how silly they are in the press and support AOPA.

I got news for you, AOPA doesn't care about you and I and our flying
freedoms. I know of an aircraft that was in the process of being stolen
and the local police let the guy go. The owner called AOPA to let them
know how well this new system was working and they basically told him that
they didn't care and to take it up with someone else.

So you see, AOPA doesn't really care about silly rules unless it affects
them I suppose. They certainly aren't trying to maintain a list of
failures that they could then suggest better ways of doing things.
Homeland security is a joke and the AOPA doesn't care.

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:03:17 -0600 "Matthew P. Cummings" wrote:

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:27:50 -0800, R. Hubbell wrote:

next president will be more enlightened. And keep up the pressure on
how silly they are in the press and support AOPA.

I got news for you, AOPA doesn't care about you and I and our flying
freedoms. I know of an aircraft that was in the process of being stolen
and the local police let the guy go. The owner called AOPA to let them
know how well this new system was working and they basically told him that
they didn't care and to take it up with someone else.

So you see, AOPA doesn't really care about silly rules unless it affects
them I suppose. They certainly aren't trying to maintain a list of
failures that they could then suggest better ways of doing things.
Homeland security is a joke and the AOPA doesn't care.



I got news for you. AOPA is not in charge of enforcing the laws. If the
police let the guy go, take it up with the police.



R. Hubbell

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:04:22 -0800, R. Hubbell wrote:

I got news for you. AOPA is not in charge of enforcing the laws. If the
police let the guy go, take it up with the police.

Read what I posted. I did not say they didn't enforce the law, I said
they should have taken the information down so that they could use it in
the future, i.e. when a new stupid law is proposed they can guide it's
direction by virtue of having proof of what doesn't work.

Must you be contrary with everybody, can't you just read something as it's
posted?

For you I'll say it again, AOPA SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THE INFORMATION GIVEN
FOR THE RECORD, IN THE FUTURE THEY CAN THEN USE IT TO GUIDE THE CREATION
OF SOMETHING THAT WORKS.

They refused to listen.

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:16:36 -0600 "Matthew P. Cummings" wrote:

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:04:22 -0800, R. Hubbell wrote:

I got news for you. AOPA is not in charge of enforcing the laws. If the
police let the guy go, take it up with the police.

Read what I posted. I did not say they didn't enforce the law, I said

You've snipped it out. I don't have the time to search for it. If I remember
the context, it was a silly thing to expect from the AOPA. Enough said.


R. Hubbell

they should have taken the information down so that they could use it in
the future, i.e. when a new stupid law is proposed they can guide it's
direction by virtue of having proof of what doesn't work.

Must you be contrary with everybody, can't you just read something as it's
posted?

For you I'll say it again, AOPA SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THE INFORMATION GIVEN
FOR THE RECORD, IN THE FUTURE THEY CAN THEN USE IT TO GUIDE THE CREATION
OF SOMETHING THAT WORKS.

They refused to listen.

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:00:24 -0800, R. Hubbell wrote:

You've snipped it out. I don't have the time to search for it. If I remember
the context, it was a silly thing to expect from the AOPA. Enough said.

Do you think it was silly of AOPA to develop the airport security program?
Doesn't matter, they did. Now when something isn't working in it and
it's brought to their attention they ignore it.

You don't seem to grasp the fact that when their program failed they are
not interested in why so that they can improve it before the govt.
improves it. Maybe you want the govt. to improve the plan then? That's
what's going to happen if AOPA keeps ignoring it.

I don't care if you are lazy, you should read a posting before replying to
it, or are you just trying ignorant?

"Matthew P. Cummings" wrote in message
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:04:22 -0800, R. Hubbell wrote:

I got news for you. AOPA is not in charge of enforcing the laws. If the
police let the guy go, take it up with the police.

Read what I posted. I did not say they didn't enforce the law, I said
they should have taken the information down so that they could use it in
the future, i.e. when a new stupid law is proposed they can guide it's
direction by virtue of having proof of what doesn't work.

Must you be contrary with everybody, can't you just read something as it's
posted?

For you I'll say it again, AOPA SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THE INFORMATION GIVEN
FOR THE RECORD, IN THE FUTURE THEY CAN THEN USE IT TO GUIDE THE CREATION
OF SOMETHING THAT WORKS.

They refused to listen.


Why do you want AOPA to take notes for you. It wouldn't be used in court it
was all hearsay.

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:04:07 -0600, Gig Giacona wrote:

Why do you want AOPA to take notes for you. It wouldn't be used in court it
was all hearsay.

Not in court, for the next program they create, or to expound on it to the
police. They need to get training material for the police, and this would
fall right into that category, i.e. when you notice a guy in a plane with
a key jammed into the ignition and lock picks on him, plus a porta potty
next to the plane, hold the guy for questions.

That's what AOPA should be working on, more training for police and how to
spot thieves about to steal or have already stolen a plane. This would
have been a good example. AOPA could have led the training for police,
that's what I'm saying, they could have used this to create a better
program, not for law enforcement, not for court, not for justice. For a
program like the airport watch, but for law enforcement.

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:05:39 GMT Dave S wrote:

Ok.. at the risk of interrupting the partisanship here...

What makes you think that if the next prez is a Democrat that the SS..
er Secret Service will not still insist on a 60 mile diameter bubble?


You're really trying to spoil all the fun! We can only hope that the
next president will be more enlightened.

Not unless we gat an alien being from another planet in the race.