Presidential TFR @ Kill Devil Hills

The point is that I didn't purport to be a military pilot while avoiding
duty.

No, the point is that you were never a military pilot, while George
Bush was, yet you take it on yourself to impugn his patriotism.

He served two years on active duty. How many did you serve? None,
right?

As for his hours, I believe they are on the web, on the same place I
found out about his military record. Interestingly, he learned to fly
in a Cessna. That was the first I knew that the Air Force used Cessnas
as trainers.

He didn't purport to be a military pilot: he *was* a military pilot.
He wasn't a combat pilot, but that is another matter entirely. Few
F-102 pilots ever served in Vietnam, because F-102s didn't have guns.
The few who went, transitioned to other aircraft.


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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 05:32:41 -0500 Cub Driver wrote:


No, the point is that you were never a military pilot, while George
Bush was, yet you take it on yourself to impugn his patriotism.

Again I never purported to be a military pilot. You're relying on fallacies
to bolster your argument because I don' think you've really got an argument.
Dubya's service record is sketchy. The fact that he will ground GA pilots
on the single most important day for GA in 100 years tells me that he can't
really be a pilot. I mean a true pilot, not one that flew around in a military
jet because his Daddy had "friends". His disappearance for 1.5 years is
documented. The trip to Kill Devil is another political stunt, like flying
into Iraq. If he was a real pilot he'd be flying a plane as PIC to Kill
Devil.


R. Hubbell


He served two years on active duty. How many did you serve? None,
right?

As for his hours, I believe they are on the web, on the same place I
found out about his military record. Interestingly, he learned to fly
in a Cessna. That was the first I knew that the Air Force used Cessnas
as trainers.

He didn't purport to be a military pilot: he *was* a military pilot.
He wasn't a combat pilot, but that is another matter entirely. Few
F-102 pilots ever served in Vietnam, because F-102s didn't have guns.
The few who went, transitioned to other aircraft.


all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

t he can't
really be a pilot. I mean a true pilot,

Ah, now you are defining pilot!

Here's what the Boston Globe, which first broke the charges that Bush
was AWOL during the last year or so of his Air Guard tour, concluded
in an editorial:

********************************************

Those who trained and flew with Bush, until he gave up flying in April
1972, said he was among the best pilots in the 111th
Fighter-Interceptor Squadron. In the 22-month period between the end
of his flight training and his move to Alabama, Bush logged numerous
hours of duty, well above the minimum requirements for so-called
''weekend warriors.''

Indeed, in the first four years of his six-year commitment, Bush spent
the equivalent of 21 months on active duty, including 18 months in
flight school. His Democratic opponent, Vice President Al Gore, who
enlisted in the Army for two years and spent five months in Vietnam,
logged only about a month more active service, since he won an early
release from service.

***********************************************

I conclude that Bush was a pilot and a military man, and that you
aren't much of either.

Plonk!

all the best -- Dan Ford
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
...

t he can't
really be a pilot. I mean a true pilot,

Ah, now you are defining pilot!

Here's what the Boston Globe, which first broke the charges that Bush
was AWOL during the last year or so of his Air Guard tour, concluded
in an editorial:

********************************************

Those who trained and flew with Bush, until he gave up flying in April
1972, said he was among the best pilots in the 111th
Fighter-Interceptor Squadron. In the 22-month period between the end
of his flight training and his move to Alabama, Bush logged numerous
hours of duty, well above the minimum requirements for so-called
''weekend warriors.''

Indeed, in the first four years of his six-year commitment, Bush spent
the equivalent of 21 months on active duty, including 18 months in
flight school. His Democratic opponent, Vice President Al Gore, who
enlisted in the Army for two years and spent five months in Vietnam,
logged only about a month more active service, since he won an early
release from service.

***********************************************

I conclude that Bush was a pilot and a military man, and that you
aren't much of either.

Plonk!

all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

Awwwwww, Dan!!! Now you've gone an destroyed his delusion.

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:40:46 -0700 "Tom Sixkiller" wrote:


"Cub Driver" wrote in message
...

t he can't
really be a pilot. I mean a true pilot,

Ah, now you are defining pilot!

Here's what the Boston Globe, which first broke the charges that Bush
was AWOL during the last year or so of his Air Guard tour, concluded
in an editorial:

********************************************

Those who trained and flew with Bush, until he gave up flying in April
1972, said he was among the best pilots in the 111th
Fighter-Interceptor Squadron. In the 22-month period between the end
of his flight training and his move to Alabama, Bush logged numerous
hours of duty, well above the minimum requirements for so-called
''weekend warriors.''

Indeed, in the first four years of his six-year commitment, Bush spent
the equivalent of 21 months on active duty, including 18 months in
flight school. His Democratic opponent, Vice President Al Gore, who
enlisted in the Army for two years and spent five months in Vietnam,
logged only about a month more active service, since he won an early
release from service.

***********************************************

I conclude that Bush was a pilot and a military man, and that you
aren't much of either.

Plonk!

all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

Awwwwww, Dan!!! Now you've gone an destroyed his delusion.


You mean Bush's? I don't think he has. But maybe I have done that to
yours and OP? You have my apologies in that case.


R. Hubbell

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:06:18 -0500 Cub Driver
wrote:


t he can't
really be a pilot. I mean a true pilot,

Ah, now you are defining pilot!

My original assertion stands. No "real" pilot would put himself above so many
fellow pilots on the most single important day in their history since First
Flight. He would have flown to an alternate and drove in allowing GA to fly.



Here's what the Boston Globe, which first broke the charges that Bush
was AWOL during the last year or so of his Air Guard tour, concluded
in an editorial:

********************************************

Those who trained and flew with Bush, until he gave up flying in April


One hand washes the other, eh?

"....
But Bush was serving in a champagne unit that was refuge for the area sons of
privilege. Its ranks included John Conally's son, Lloyd Bentson's son, John
Tower's son, SEVEN Dallas Cowboys, and two sons of the businessman who got G W
Bush into the Guard ahead of hundreds of others on a waiting list."


1972, said he was among the best pilots in the 111th
Fighter-Interceptor Squadron. In the 22-month period between the end
of his flight training and his move to Alabama, Bush logged numerous
hours of duty, well above the minimum requirements for so-called
''weekend warriors.''

Indeed, in the first four years of his six-year commitment, Bush spent
the equivalent of 21 months on active duty, including 18 months in
flight school. His Democratic opponent, Vice President Al Gore, who
enlisted in the Army for two years and spent five months in Vietnam,
logged only about a month more active service, since he won an early
release from service.

***********************************************

I conclude that Bush was a pilot and a military man, and that you
aren't much of either.

Most people consider someone that goes AWOL to be a coward.


Plonk!


Name calling and plonking. So you're out of gas, so to speak. I'll
bet you plonk all those that offer opposing views. Nice and tidy, eh?

R. Hubbell



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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
...
Here's what the Boston Globe, which first broke the charges that Bush
was AWOL during the last year or so of his Air Guard tour, concluded
in an editorial:
...
Indeed, in the first four years of his six-year commitment, Bush spent
the equivalent of 21 months on active duty, including 18 months in
flight school. His Democratic opponent, Vice President Al Gore, who
enlisted in the Army for two years and spent five months in Vietnam,
logged only about a month more active service, since he won an early
release from service.

Why was the word "only" inserted in that sentence? "Al Gore, who
enlisted...logged about a month more active service..." sounds a lot better.

I'd have expected more bias from the Globe :-)

-- David Brooks