Officials say al-Qaida operatives may be fully trained airline pilots

Mutts wrote in message . ..
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Authorities raised the terrorist threat assessment over the weekend
after new intelligence indicated that operatives of Osama bin Laden?s
al-Qaida terror network, possibly trained and licensed to fly
passenger jets, may now be pilots for some foreign airlines, ideally
positioning them to carry out suicide attacks, U.S. officials told NBC
News on Monday.

Suprise suprise surpise. That was the first thing I said when the new
security measures were put into place. If the pilot (and maybe
they'll need to copilot to be in on it too) are IN THE COCKPIT it
doesn't matter what security measures are in place. These terrorist
organizations are patient. They'll wait the X years it takes get
someone to get properly trained to fly a large passenger jet. Maybe
he's your CFI now. Or working at your FBO, building hours here in the
US so that he can become a pilot either here or abroad. How many
years passed between the first attempt WTC bombing and 9/11? I think
it was eight years. How long does it take someone to go from the $50
discovery flight to PIC of a passenger jet flying for Mid Eastern
airline?

Jim Buckridge wrote:

Mutts wrote in message
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/3775771/

Authorities raised the terrorist threat assessment over the weekend
after new intelligence indicated that operatives of Osama bin Laden?s
al-Qaida terror network, possibly trained and licensed to fly
passenger jets, may now be pilots for some foreign airlines, ideally
positioning them to carry out suicide attacks, U.S. officials told NBC
News on Monday.

Suprise suprise surpise.

What does fascinate me is what they're doing about it.

- Andrew

I can't believe someone would train to get licensed, get a job on the
majors, have a great income, and style of life, and then would throw it all
away to make some guy living in a cave happy by participating in a suicide
attack. I just don't think that will happen.

Rich Raine

www.eraine.com


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Mutts wrote in message
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/3775771/

Authorities raised the terrorist threat assessment over the weekend
after new intelligence indicated that operatives of Osama bin Laden?s
al-Qaida terror network, possibly trained and licensed to fly
passenger jets, may now be pilots for some foreign airlines, ideally
positioning them to carry out suicide attacks, U.S. officials told NBC
News on Monday.

Suprise suprise surpise. That was the first thing I said when the new
security measures were put into place. If the pilot (and maybe
they'll need to copilot to be in on it too) are IN THE COCKPIT it
doesn't matter what security measures are in place. These terrorist
organizations are patient. They'll wait the X years it takes get
someone to get properly trained to fly a large passenger jet. Maybe
he's your CFI now. Or working at your FBO, building hours here in the
US so that he can become a pilot either here or abroad. How many
years passed between the first attempt WTC bombing and 9/11? I think
it was eight years. How long does it take someone to go from the $50
discovery flight to PIC of a passenger jet flying for Mid Eastern
airline?

Rich Raine wrote:

I just don't think that will happen.

You haven't known any fundamentalist plug in your favorite religion here. I have.
They'll do that in a heartbeat.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:26:09 -0800, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:

Rich Raine wrote:

I just don't think that will happen.

You haven't known any fundamentalist plug in your favorite religion here. I have.
They'll do that in a heartbeat.

The only recent "fundamentalist" movements I can think of (and I'm
thinking of the past several hundred to thousand years) that has shown
it is capable of mass murder/suicide have been certain strains of
radical Islam.

The last suicidally religious group I can think of would have been the
2nd Century Martyrs of early Christianity, and even they didn't take
innocents with them to death. Everyone else I can think of fielded
people who were willing to be killed for their faith, but only after
putting up a vigorous fight.

So I don't agree fundamentalists from plug in your favorite religion
will "do that in a heartbeat." Can you prove me wrong?

Rob

in article , Rob Perkins at
wrote on 12/23/03 7:08 PM:

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:26:09 -0800, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:

Rich Raine wrote:

I just don't think that will happen.

You haven't known any fundamentalist plug in your favorite religion here. I
have.
They'll do that in a heartbeat.

The only recent "fundamentalist" movements I can think of (and I'm
thinking of the past several hundred to thousand years) that has shown
it is capable of mass murder/suicide have been certain strains of
radical Islam.

Jonestown?

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 05:43:39 GMT, Philip Sondericker
wrote:

The only recent "fundamentalist" movements I can think of (and I'm
thinking of the past several hundred to thousand years) that has shown
it is capable of mass murder/suicide have been certain strains of
radical Islam.

Jonestown?

No, because the movement didn't survive the deaths of its followers
nor its leader, right?

Rob

in article , Rob Perkins at
wrote on 12/24/03 11:37 AM:

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 05:43:39 GMT, Philip Sondericker
wrote:

The only recent "fundamentalist" movements I can think of (and I'm
thinking of the past several hundred to thousand years) that has shown
it is capable of mass murder/suicide have been certain strains of
radical Islam.

Jonestown?

No, because the movement didn't survive the deaths of its followers
nor its leader, right?

Rob

But you didn't make that qualification originally.

Historically- The Nazi's claimed to have God on their side as they killed
millions of Jews.
The Spanish Inquisition
Then various Crusades
Numerous campaigns against the "heathen" indians

These all were couched or claimed right based on the
Christian religion in at least some respect. There are many others involving
other religions (Shinto/Samuri) etc. Anytime someone places their beliefs as
more correct than anothers there is the possibility. My step father always
said, "Your rights end where the next person's begin." Makes alot of sense.

--
Kevin McCue
KRYN
'47 Luscombe 8E
Rans S-17 (for sale)




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I can't believe someone would train to get licensed, get a job on the
majors, have a great income, and style of life, and then would throw it all
away to make some guy living in a cave happy by participating in a suicide
attack. I just don't think that will happen.


That's not the way it happens.

The way it happens is that some guy decides to make sombody living in a cave
(or dying on a cross) happy. They then train for the mission, put up with a
"great lifestyle", and finally give their life to God.

I'm sure it's in progress.

Jose

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