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Old December 29th 03, 03:00 PM
Ron Natalie
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"Jeff Franks" wrote in message ...
Hrmmmmm. could your pilot become a submariner?


Can someone explain to me why you would need to "sneak across" the Lake Superior
anyhow? You could fly across the thing at 12,000 feet squawking 7700 and probably
not be excessively interfered with.

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Old December 29th 03, 04:48 PM
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"db" wrote in message
ink.net...

I have been intercepted (in the middle of the country, not at the edges)

at
least twice. This happened more than 10 years ago.

Once was by a pair of F15's that I spotted climbing toward me. They got
to my altitude, turned parallel in the opposite direction, did a 180 turn
then a roll as they came by. I was flying a quite small plane and I would
bet money that this was a radar intercept.


They would have Sh!t themselves if you had performed a split S.


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Old December 29th 03, 06:00 PM
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Nomen Nescio wrote:

A quick change of N numbers wouldn't hurt, either.


Back around 1970, there was a smuggler who had two aircraft, one legit and the
other stolen. He had the stolen one painted to match the legitimate one. He used
to make drug runs in the stolen one while keeping the legit plane conspicuously
and legally busy several States away.

Worked just fine until the landing gear collapsed at TYS on a smuggling run one
day.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."
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Old December 29th 03, 07:53 PM
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Nomen Nescio wrote:

Gee, you show an address as
is that your real e-mail or are you too cowardly to post your real
address. If you're so brave, why don't you post your home address, too.


Um...are you kidding? You really don't see the real address in there? Is
this some variation of "color blind", perhaps?

- Andrew

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Old December 30th 03, 02:18 AM
Charles Talleyrand
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"Nomen Nescio" ] wrote in message ...
From: "Henry Kisor"

The long and short of the answers I have received is
"Maybe, but not likely." I'll have my evasive pilot (not a terrorist but a
good guy on a mercy mission of sorts) file a flight plan, cross the lake at
a reasonable altitude, have "engine trouble" and land well short of his
posted point of arrival to offload his cargo before the sheriff arrives.


Your pilot could also file an inaccurate flight plan, or no flight plan, land at an uncontrolled
but active airfield, dump his cargo, and immediately takeoff and blend in with other traffic
to disappear and go flying off into the sunset. A quick change of N numbers wouldn't hurt,
either.


I fly in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. I fly over Lake Superior all the time.

There are a zillion airports within 40 miles of the lakeshore. Lots of them have no personel
at all at any time (just grass strips). There are (as far as I know) only two control towers in the
whole area (Marquette MI and Duluth, MN). There's just not much FAA up here.

There is a radar at Sawyer (Marquette) but it does not have line-of-sight to the
lake shore, and the radar doesn't even show in the airport control tower. It
reports to Minneapolis center.

I assume there is a radar at Duluth.

I believe those are the only two radars on the Lake Superior shore.

Lake Superior is pretty narrow near Sault St. Marie, and there are no control towers
(and I think no radars) anywhere near there.

BTW, every book should have a part set in Mackinaw Island. It's just a neat place,
so work that into the story. It has neither control tower nor radar, but does have a
park service official.



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Old December 30th 03, 02:53 PM
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In article , Charles Talleyrand
wrote:

I believe those are the only two radars on the Lake Superior shore.
BTW, every book should have a part set in Mackinaw Island. It's just a neat
place,so work that into the story.
It has neither control tower nor radar, but does have a park service official.


And, as in the Caribbean... take lots of cash!
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Old December 30th 03, 07:28 PM
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AWACS frequently operates with a doppler filter set to 60 or so.
Anything slower is thrown out by the computer. Don't have to watch all the
cars that way.

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Old December 30th 03, 07:45 PM
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Kevin McCue wrote:

AWACS frequently operates with a doppler filter set to 60 or so.
Anything slower is thrown out by the computer. Don't have to watch all the
cars that way.


Oh, boy. Slow-flighting my way at 20'...*that* would be interesting.

- Andrew

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Old December 30th 03, 09:51 PM
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"Nomen Nescio" ] wrote in message
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You seem to be getting a little obsessed with me, Pete. Don't you have

anything better to
do.


Huh? I've barely bothered to even read your posts, never mind respond to
them. Hardly an obsession.

Gee, you show an address as
is that your real e-mail or are you too cowardly to post your real

address. If you're so brave, why
don't you post your home address, too.


My home address is 12900 NE 78th Place, Kirkland, WA. Feel free to send
whatever junk mail to that address you like. We have recycling. As for the
email address, anyone with a half-ounce of intelligence can easily convert
the address you've quoted to a genuine address usable for sending me email.

As I said, it is trivial to obscure personal information enough to avoid
spammers, without hiding behind an anonymous reposter.

Get on with your life, Pete. I ain't going away.


Never thought you would. So what?

This will be my last response to you on this subject, so think whatever

you want. You've made
it abundantly clear in a half dozen other posts that you don't like

remailers or me.

I challenge you to quote 6 posts in which I have "made it abundantly clear"
that I don't like remailers, or that I don't like you. As usual, your
anonymity appears to be giving you the courage to post whatever lies you
feel like.

Pete


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Old December 31st 03, 02:20 AM
Matthew P. Cummings
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:33:32 -0600, Henry Kisor wrote:

Am I wrong that one needs to file a flight plan to enter the US from Canada
these post-9/11 days?


Henry, your pilot is doing some not so legal things anyhow, why would he
obey the law if he's breaking the law? What's one more little broken law
between friends?

If you want a real provable engine problem, have them obtain a lead fouled
spark plug, land and replace the good one with the bad one. Instant
engine problem and since plugs are changed all the time anyhow, it's not
going to be unusual to find the tool marks on it, he could even make a log
entry stating he cleaned the plugs to explain the markings...

 




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