OK, what the hell has happened to the Brits?

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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I avoid everybody carrying a weapon. And as long as I can decide it (!)
nobody with a weapon is entering my house, my office or sitting in my car.
And I turn away from everybody carrying a weapon, I also avoid beeing too
close to cops carrying a weapon.


What do you do when those that carry guns don't give a damn what you decide?

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:15:33 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

I avoid everybody carrying a weapon. And as long as I can decide it (!)
nobody with a weapon is entering my house, my office or sitting in my car.
And I turn away from everybody carrying a weapon, I also avoid beeing too
close to cops carrying a weapon.


What do you do when those that carry guns don't give a damn what you decide?



aaahh! now comes logic from cold war. Give everybody a nuke, but give me
one nuke more than him.

or: ... Zombie (The Cranberries)

to your question: so I should arm myself and my family and first shoot,
then ask? I don't want to life in such a world. Thank you.

#m

--
harsh regulations in North Korea (read below link after reading the story):
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/04/open-mikulan.php
oooops ... sorry ... it happened in the USA, ya know: the land of the free.

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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to your question: so I should arm myself and my family and first shoot,
then ask? I don't want to life in such a world. Thank you.


Well, you'll probably get your wish.

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:15:33 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

I avoid everybody carrying a weapon. And as long as I can decide it (!)
nobody with a weapon is entering my house, my office or sitting in my
car.
And I turn away from everybody carrying a weapon, I also avoid beeing
too
close to cops carrying a weapon.


What do you do when those that carry guns don't give a damn what you
decide?



aaahh! now comes logic from cold war. Give everybody a nuke, but give me
one nuke more than him.

Seems to have worked out pretty well, no?


or: ... Zombie (The Cranberries)


How profound.

to your question: so I should arm myself and my family and first shoot,
then ask? I don't want to life in such a world. Thank you.


Too late; you already do. Now please tell me the logic in depending on the
goodwill of the lawless and criminal to respect your pascifism. It really
seems to have worked like a charm in the UK where soon after banning
firearms alltogether, gun related crimes went sky-high.

"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message
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"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:15:33 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

I avoid everybody carrying a weapon. And as long as I can decide it
(!)
nobody with a weapon is entering my house, my office or sitting in my
car.
And I turn away from everybody carrying a weapon, I also avoid beeing
too
close to cops carrying a weapon.


What do you do when those that carry guns don't give a damn what you
decide?



aaahh! now comes logic from cold war. Give everybody a nuke, but give me
one nuke more than him.

Seems to have worked out pretty well, no?


or: ... Zombie (The Cranberries)


How profound.

to your question: so I should arm myself and my family and first shoot,
then ask? I don't want to life in such a world. Thank you.


Too late; you already do. Now please tell me the logic in depending on the
goodwill of the lawless and criminal to respect your pascifism. It really
seems to have worked like a charm in the UK where soon after banning
firearms alltogether, gun related crimes went sky-high.

It is all relative and with hand guns being outlawed completely possessing a
gun became a crime. With gun crime being so low any increase looks big.

Funnily enough gun related crime tends to be restricted to the criminals
shooting each other not the public. The main problems in London tend to be
Russian mafia against Albanian mafia, blacks against blacks (Yardies), drug
dealers against drug dealers.
What we don't get are kids killing each other by accident because Dad left
his gun lying about and we don't get wacko kids going into school blasting
everyone in sight and we don't get guys sniping away at the public either.

The police here take a firm view with anyone with what looks like a gun.
They shoot them. The assumption is that as there can be no lawful purpose to
be waving a gun around then shooting dead someone with a gun who refuses to
surrender is legitimate.
Therefore the only ones who need to worry are the nuts who like guns and
criminals. Even a toy gun risks getting the holder shot if the police are
uncertain of the weapon.
Thank fully our police tend to finish gun business with the odd bullet
rather than a shootout.

There was a hostage situation in London last Christmas where the gunman held
a hostage for a week and after he released the hostage the gunman continued
to resist the police. After a couple of more days and with the threat of him
setting fire to the premises the police shot him with one bullet to the
head.

Its that type of police officer I would like as a sky marshal, someone with
restraint and control as well as skill and judgement.

Unfortunately there are probably not enough to go around.

"Dave" wrote in message
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"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message
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"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:15:33 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

I avoid everybody carrying a weapon. And as long as I can decide it
(!)
nobody with a weapon is entering my house, my office or sitting in
my
car.
And I turn away from everybody carrying a weapon, I also avoid
beeing
too
close to cops carrying a weapon.


What do you do when those that carry guns don't give a damn what you
decide?



aaahh! now comes logic from cold war. Give everybody a nuke, but give
me
one nuke more than him.

Seems to have worked out pretty well, no?


or: ... Zombie (The Cranberries)


How profound.

to your question: so I should arm myself and my family and first
shoot,
then ask? I don't want to life in such a world. Thank you.


Too late; you already do. Now please tell me the logic in depending on
the
goodwill of the lawless and criminal to respect your pascifism. It
really
seems to have worked like a charm in the UK where soon after banning
firearms alltogether, gun related crimes went sky-high.

It is all relative and with hand guns being outlawed completely possessing
a
gun became a crime. With gun crime being so low any increase looks big.

Funnily enough gun related crime tends to be restricted to the criminals
shooting each other not the public. The main problems in London tend to be
Russian mafia against Albanian mafia, blacks against blacks (Yardies),
drug
dealers against drug dealers.
What we don't get are kids killing each other by accident because Dad left
his gun lying about and we don't get wacko kids going into school blasting
everyone in sight and we don't get guys sniping away at the public either.

The police here take a firm view with anyone with what looks like a gun.
They shoot them. The assumption is that as there can be no lawful purpose
to
be waving a gun around then shooting dead someone with a gun who refuses
to
surrender is legitimate.
Therefore the only ones who need to worry are the nuts who like guns and
criminals. Even a toy gun risks getting the holder shot if the police are
uncertain of the weapon.
Thank fully our police tend to finish gun business with the odd bullet
rather than a shootout.


And you see nothing wrong with this scenario? It dosen't strike you as maybe
a bit tyrannical that owning a toy gun may get you shot by a police officer?
You surrender your rights far too easily, and I am afraid that if a majority
of your population feels similarly, you days as a free people are numbered.

"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message
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"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:15:33 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

I avoid everybody carrying a weapon. And as long as I can decide
it
(!)
nobody with a weapon is entering my house, my office or sitting
in
my
car.
And I turn away from everybody carrying a weapon, I also avoid
beeing
too
close to cops carrying a weapon.


What do you do when those that carry guns don't give a damn what
you
decide?



aaahh! now comes logic from cold war. Give everybody a nuke, but
give
me
one nuke more than him.

Seems to have worked out pretty well, no?


or: ... Zombie (The Cranberries)


How profound.

to your question: so I should arm myself and my family and first
shoot,
then ask? I don't want to life in such a world. Thank you.


Too late; you already do. Now please tell me the logic in depending on
the
goodwill of the lawless and criminal to respect your pascifism. It
really
seems to have worked like a charm in the UK where soon after banning
firearms alltogether, gun related crimes went sky-high.

It is all relative and with hand guns being outlawed completely
possessing
a
gun became a crime. With gun crime being so low any increase looks big.

Funnily enough gun related crime tends to be restricted to the criminals
shooting each other not the public. The main problems in London tend to
be
Russian mafia against Albanian mafia, blacks against blacks (Yardies),
drug
dealers against drug dealers.
What we don't get are kids killing each other by accident because Dad
left
his gun lying about and we don't get wacko kids going into school
blasting
everyone in sight and we don't get guys sniping away at the public
either.

The police here take a firm view with anyone with what looks like a gun.
They shoot them. The assumption is that as there can be no lawful
purpose
to
be waving a gun around then shooting dead someone with a gun who refuses
to
surrender is legitimate.
Therefore the only ones who need to worry are the nuts who like guns and
criminals. Even a toy gun risks getting the holder shot if the police
are
uncertain of the weapon.
Thank fully our police tend to finish gun business with the odd bullet
rather than a shootout.


And you see nothing wrong with this scenario? It dosen't strike you as
maybe
a bit tyrannical that owning a toy gun may get you shot by a police
officer?
You surrender your rights far too easily, and I am afraid that if a
majority
of your population feels similarly, you days as a free people are
numbered.

Nothing wrong with it at all. Guns are illegal. We voted for it, after a
Columbine type incident. We surrendered our licenced sporting guns.
Therefore anyone still with a gun or making out that they were using what
looked like a gun to rob or frighten people must bear the consequences. It
is about personal responsibility and choices.

Having a gun is no big deal. It does not make you a better person. It might
make you feel a bit more secure when there are loads of loonies around with
guns.

Likewise when the chances of meeting someone with a gun is remote do we
worry about being armed? I would only worry if I was mixing with people who
carry guns. As I don't mix with criminals its not an issue.

If our police don't see the need to be constantly armed then why should the
population at large.

Likewise when the chances of meeting someone with a gun is remote do we
worry about being armed? I would only worry if I was mixing with people who
carry guns. As I don't mix with criminals its not an issue.


Oh, you lock yourself up in your castle?

What happens if you encounter a thug with a length of pipe on the way to the
pub?

Which, by the way, if far more likely to happen in London than in Norfolk, VA.

Don


--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

"Dave" wrote in message
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Nothing wrong with it at all. Guns are illegal. We voted for it, after a
Columbine type incident. We surrendered our licenced sporting guns.


Was the vote unanimous?

"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message
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It really
seems to have worked like a charm in the UK where soon after banning
firearms alltogether, gun related crimes went sky-high.

I don't know why people from the US persist in this belief.

I refer to my posts
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L22C42007
and
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I3AC21007
and
http://makeashorterlink.com/?E6EB52007

Gun crime has risen sharply over the past couple of years. Nothing
to do with banning handguns as people have never kept handguns
for protection like in the US. Gun club members could keep them
at home (locked away), after 1997 they can't, they have to keep
them locked at the club. In either case, these were for competition
use only, and as such, licenses were only given for such use.

The ban on keeping handguns at home only ever affected the
sporting gun owner. All it did was prevent such a person from
"going postal". It had no effect on the protection of individuals,
one way or the other.

As pointed out, gun crime only really affects those "in or related to
the business". The general population can go about their business
without even thinking that anyone else has a gun. Before or after.

You have to realise that the way of life is different over here.

Paul