Seminole crash - 3 CFIs

I have flown a Seminole over the Cascades with three adult passengers, and
it was a dog. Tops were at 12000 and I was in and out, unable to climb much
higher. I am not proud of my decision to go that day.

Insofar as the HTML question is concerned, I'm not computer savvy enough to
know what I am doing wrong. Why has this question just popped up, after the
many, many times I have posted without changing any settings??

Bob Gardner

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Weird. Bob's post appeared normally on my PC.

Same here. No crap.

That's because you are all using a newsreader that interprets HTML, which
is
what Bob's original post was written in.

He shouldn't have used HTML (nor should anyone be posting to a newsgroup
like this one using HTML), and Robert wound up suffering because he did.
Most people don't, just because their newsreader is hiding poor posting
practices from them.

(Actually, the truth is that if you're paying attention, even in Outlook
Express or other HTML-aware newsreaders, the HTML posts look different.
The
poor posting practice isn't so much hidden, as it is made less obvious to
those not aware of the issue).

As for the topic at hand, I don't know much about the Seminole, but
without
knowing the weights of the four people in the plane, I don't see how Bob
can
say that it's "not a real four passenger airplane". I'm not a small
person
(200 pound-ish), and I've flown a 172 with all four seats occupied with
adults, and legally so at that.

Seems to me it's a little premature to be making conclusions about the
cause
of the accident. Could easily be that the aircraft load had *nothing* to
do
with the crash.

Pete

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
news:b_EJb.49247$I07.150198@attbi_s53

Insofar as the HTML question is concerned, I'm not computer savvy
enough to know what I am doing wrong. Why has this question just
popped up, after the many, many times I have posted without changing
any settings??

Perhaps because nobody chose to mention it before.

If you're interested in correcting the issue, click on Tools | Options, the
click the Send tab. At the bottom of the page will be a section for "News
sending format". Click the "Plain text" option and you're all set.

As a point of netiquette, all news postings should be in plain text to reach
the largest audience possible and to greatly reduce bandwidth requirements.
HTML adds significant transmission overhead to the actual message.

FWIW, Outlook Express 6 (SP1?) offers the option to display all messages as
plain text regardless of sending format. I strongly encourage users to
enable this option to greatly reduce the possibility of accidental viral
infection. This may be set by clicking Tools | Options, then the Read tab
and check the option for "Read all messages in plain text."

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415
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On 2004-01-03 11:46:15 -0800, "Bob Gardner" said:

Insofar as the HTML question is concerned, I'm not computer savvy enough
to
know what I am doing wrong. Why has this question just popped up, after
the
many, many times I have posted without changing any settings??

It's just the last couple of posts you've made that had the HTML. The
posts are first plain text, then have an HTML version tacked on the end.

--
Larry Fransson
Seattle, WA

Larry Fransson wrote
It's just the last couple of posts you've made that had the HTML. The
posts are first plain text, then have an HTML version tacked on the end.

That's the way they have appeared in "Xnews".

Bob Moore

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
news:b_EJb.49247$I07.150198@attbi_s53...
I have flown a Seminole over the Cascades with three adult passengers, and
it was a dog. Tops were at 12000 and I was in and out, unable to climb
much
higher. I am not proud of my decision to go that day.

Still, I fail to see what relevance to the accident in question that has.
All airplanes have a service ceiling, and the "trick" is to plan the flight
so as to not need to climb above that. Even IFR over the Cascades, there's
no need to go higher than 12000' absent bad weather conditions (icing,
convection, high winds, etc.). MEAs are significantly lower than that.

If there was something wrong with your decision to fly that day, it would
have had something to do with the weather, or the weights of your passenger
(if you flew overgross), or something along those lines. I don't see
anything inherently wrong with flying an airplane at or near maximum gross
weight, and certainly having all the seats full does not necessarily mean
the airplane was over the max gross weight, nor would it necessarily have
contributed anything to the accident in question.

If by "the Seminole is not a real four passenger airplane any more than a
Cessna 172 is", what you meant was "the Seminole can carry four passengers
just fine, depending on their weight", then I misunderstood, and you can
ignore all that I wrote.

Insofar as the HTML question is concerned, I'm not computer savvy enough
to
know what I am doing wrong. Why has this question just popped up, after
the
many, many times I have posted without changing any settings??

Not sure. I haven't been paying close attention, but perhaps your
newsreader is set to post in HTML, but does so only when you are posting a
message that is *not* a reply, using instead the previous post's formatting
(which is almost always plain text) when you are replying.

In other words, when you start a thread, it winds up HTML. When you reply
to a plain text message, it winds up plain text. Could that be the
difference?

Pete