What having a sky marshal really means

"Jack Davis" wrote in message
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So, we're in agreement about your post, then. Good!


That's not apparent to me.



Now you go back
and re-read the messages.


There's no need for me to re-read them, I understood them.

On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 22:51:17 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

The purpose of an altercation between a terrorist and a flight attendant may
be for the purpose of identifying the marshal to the terrorist by the flight
attendant. It's better if the flight crew doesn't know who the marshal is
or even if one is aboard.

No, it isn't better for us to be in the dark. If things go to hell it
would be best if we knew who was on our side, especially considering
that some pilots are now carrying as well. It is also for this reason
that the crews need to know the identities and locations of other law
enforcement types as well.

Second, there have already been several cases where the cover of on
board FAMs have been compromised and in none of those case has the
flight crew been implicated or even involved. As is usually the case,
the well-trained and professional FAMs have secured the situation long
before the crews even knew what was happening.

-J

Jack Davis
B-737


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"Jack Davis" wrote in message
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No, it isn't better for us to be in the dark.


Why would the flight crew need to know who the marshal is, or even if there
was one aboard?



If things go to hell it
would be best if we knew who was on our side, especially considering
that some pilots are now carrying as well.


So that when you leave the cockpit to engage the terrorist you don't shoot
the marshal? Here's a tip: Don't leave the cockpit, don't even open the
door.



Second, there have already been several cases where the cover of on
board FAMs have been compromised and in none of those case has the
flight crew been implicated or even involved.


Fine, but that is not reason for the crew to know the identity of the
marshal.



As is usually the case,
the well-trained and professional FAMs have secured the situation long
before the crews even knew what was happening.


Which demonstrates the crew didn't need to know the identity of the marshal.

On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:48:01 -0500, "Ron Natalie"
wrote:

I think he means once you're on the ground.

I see. Well, the Boeings maintain a higher-than-ambient cabin pressure
on the ground anyway (I'm *sure* we'll go deeper into that some time
soon!) so I'm still not sure what he meant by the following:

"Is there a procedure for a mishap that leaves the cabin at a higher
pressure than the outside atmosphere"?

No matter. I appreciate your attempt at clearing things up for me.
I've taken a few years off from the news groups and I see things
haven't changed much since the last time I was here!

-J

Jack Davis
B-737


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"Jack Davis" wrote in message
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I see. Well, the Boeings maintain a higher-than-ambient cabin pressure
on the ground anyway (I'm *sure* we'll go deeper into that some time
soon!) so I'm still not sure what he meant by the following:

"Is there a procedure for a mishap that leaves the cabin at a higher
pressure than the outside atmosphere"?


How do you exit in an emergency if the cabin is at a higher pressure than
the outside atmosphere?



No matter. I appreciate your attempt at clearing things up for me.
I've taken a few years off from the news groups and I see things
haven't changed much since the last time I was here!


If you had the same difficulty last time the problem may be you. Have you
considered that?

On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 23:27:07 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

So that when you leave the cockpit to engage the terrorist you don't shoot
the marshal? Here's a tip: Don't leave the cockpit, don't even open the
door.

Thanks for the tip - I'll try to remember that.

Give your brain a chance, boy! Suppose someone calls me on the
interphone and says he's a FAM and starts feeding me some BS about a
"situation"? How do I know for sure unless I've met him/her
previously? Would I be willing to risk the lives of my passengers and
crew on what could possibly be a diversion? How do I really know
what's going on back there? For all I know there could be six
terrorists poised at the door and I could be wasting valuable time
talking to some lying schmuck on the phone. Think about it and tell
me how you would handle the situation.

And, in the unlikely event that an FA has to knock someone in the head
with a fire extinguisher (present company comes to mind) because
he/she feels that another 9-11 style attack is in the works, I'd be
all kinds of ****ed-off if the FA accidentally clocked a FAM and
Abdullah is now free to take over the jet!

And to think my New Years resolution was to stop feeding the trolls...
That's a laugh!

-J

Jack Davis
B-737


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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 23:39:54 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

How do you exit in an emergency if the cabin is at a higher pressure than
the outside atmosphere?

You mean to tell me I actually hit upon a question to which you don't
already know the answer?

Now you've shocked me...

-J
-J

Jack Davis
B-737


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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 23:39:54 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

If you had the same difficulty last time the problem may be you. Have you
considered that?

Steve, the difficulty only arises when people who know absolutely
nothing about airline flying try to pass themselves off as experts.
Just like the media, they don't intend to let facts get in their way
and that gets my goat a bit.

Since this is a "piloting" news group I'll expand my signature for
those who haven't had the (dis)pleasure of reading my rambling
ruminations before and who may be wondering about my qualifications.
It's a bit self-serving and this will be the last time I do it.

-J

Jack Davis
Aircraft flown: Piper series, Cessna Cutlass, Citation, Beechcraft
King Air (90 and 200), F-27/FH-227, EMB-120, DC-9, B727,B737,B747.


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So, just how would the emergency exits get opened when the aircraft is on
the ground and needs to be evacuated, if the cabin pressure is significantly
higher than the outside pressure?

I'm guessing that the pressure differential at ground level isn't enough to
prevent the exits from opening, but that this differential is (logically)
much higher at altitude, and thus would prevent the exits from opening in
flight. But I could be wrong.

And yes, sadly the whole newsgroup thing is a never-ending disappointment.
The most humorous recent example came from the "gun loons" thread, where I
suspect that 5 or 6 people are STILL arguing about the difference between a
"box cutter" and a "carpet knife".

"Jack Davis" wrote in message
...

You mean to tell me I actually hit upon a question to which you don't
already know the answer?


It was my question.



Now you've shocked me...


It appears I've stumped you as well.