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In article , "Paul Sengupta"
writes: As pointed out, gun crime only really affects those "in or related to the business". The general population can go about their business without even thinking that anyone else has a gun. Before or after. You have to realise that the way of life is different over here. Yes, it is. Strongarm robberies, home invasion robberies, assualt and battery, and stranger rape are far more common than here in the states. Don -- Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS PP-ASEL Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG |
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Wdtabor wrote:
Yes, it is. Strongarm robberies, home invasion robberies, assualt and battery, and stranger rape are far more common than here in the states. You'd better check those statistics again. Robbery and assault rates have been about the same, and the rate of rape is about 1/3 that of the US. There are variations by year, and whether you use police statistics or victim surveys. There are enough statistics on the subject on this site to choke a horse: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/htm...6/contents.htm More significantly, the US murder rate is about 8 times that of England. It therefore doesn't appear that having guns has been a significant factor in the occurrence of rape, assault, or robbery. By your argument, since the US has one of the highest per capita gun ownership rates in the world, there should be a huge difference, with the advantage to the US, which there isn't. In fact, the stats show that the rates of some serious crimes are far higher in the US than in England. The statistics don't prove the need for gun ownership to deter personal crimes such as robbery or rape, but show there isn't much effect either way. However, since the murder rate is 6 times as high in the US, and the chance of being murdered with a gun is ten times as high, it sure looks like the statistics suggest exactly the opposite of what you are trying to say about the benefit of guns. |
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"Wdtabor" wrote in message
... In article , "Paul Sengupta" writes: You have to realise that the way of life is different over here. Yes, it is. Strongarm robberies, home invasion robberies, assualt and battery, and stranger rape are far more common than here in the states. Really? I didn't know that. I can believe that burglaries and stealing car stereos are more prevalent - it's much softer and easier for unarmed criminals over here to do that than hold up petrol stations/shops which seems to be more prevalent over there. Assault and rape, well, I don't know about those. Have to look them up. First google search came up with this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/810522.stm Apparently, rape is 3 times higher in the US than the UK. Murder is 5.7 times higher. Shootings (no surprise) are 60 times higher. 68% of murders in the US are shootings, 7% in England and Wales. The report agrees that burglary, assault and car crime is higher in the UK. Maybe with the assault figues it's a case of more pub/ neighbour/whatever brawls get away with being assaults whereas in the US they end up as murder rather than assault statistics! :-) (I'm semi-joking here, please don't take offence!) Burglaries often (mostly?) happen when there's no one home. Arming people wouldn't change anything. And just because people don't have guns in their homes, it doesn't mean they don't have big D-cell torches, hockey sticks, etc, with which to defend themselves and their property. It's catching the b*gg*rs at it that's the problem. I caught someone breaking into my car once. Didn't need any weapons, I just held him by his outstretched arm until the police arrived. Oh, and someone said New York was the worst place in the US...I think it's long ceased to be that. I believe that title now goes to Washington DC. According to the web page, the murder rate in NY is 8.6 per 100,000, whereas in Washington DC it's 49.15 per 100,000. England and Wales as a whole is 1.4, London is 2.9. US average is 6.3. During my (on average) once a year (for 1 or 2 weeks) visits to Winter Haven in Florida, a pretty smallish town, I've arrived a day after a policeman was shot dead on one occasion, and on another, turned up at the Winn Dixie just as the police were laying out the tape after a drive-by shooting. Other friends of mine were inside the shop! But no one locks their cars when they go shopping. Paul |
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Maybe with the assault figues it's a case of more pub/
neighbour/whatever brawls get away with being assaults whereas in the US they end up as murder rather than assault statistics! :-) (I'm semi-joking here, please don't take offence!) Actually, you are really more or less right about this. The total amount of violence in western nations is more or less the same no matter where you go. But in the US, a gun is much more likely to be involved in a violent crime, and gun injuries are simply more deadly. So while the combined rate of murder and aggravated assault (i.e., grevious bodily harm in the UK) are about the same in our two nations, the ratio between these two rates is very unequal. More assaults result in death here in the US than is the case in the UK. Oh, and someone said New York was the worst place in the US...I think it's long ceased to be that. I believe that title now goes to Washington DC. According to the web page, the murder rate in NY is 8.6 per 100,000, whereas in Washington DC it's 49.15 per 100,000. Every year, it's like a race between DC, New Orleans, and Detroit to see who can come out on top. |
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![]() "Wdtabor" wrote in message ... In article , "Paul Sengupta" writes: As pointed out, gun crime only really affects those "in or related to the business". The general population can go about their business without even thinking that anyone else has a gun. Before or after. You have to realise that the way of life is different over here. Yes, it is. Strongarm robberies, home invasion robberies, assualt and battery, and stranger rape are far more common than here in the states. yes but we don't get guys shooting four people, kidnapping three girls and be being sought by a jackass of a sheriff like the one in Georgia County. Whose retard son is he and which retards voted him into office? |
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I'd be interested to know where those statistics come from (and please don't
quote the NRA as a credible source). Shawn "Wdtabor" wrote in message ... In article , "Paul Sengupta" writes: As pointed out, gun crime only really affects those "in or related to the business". The general population can go about their business without even thinking that anyone else has a gun. Before or after. You have to realise that the way of life is different over here. Yes, it is. Strongarm robberies, home invasion robberies, assualt and battery, and stranger rape are far more common than here in the states. Don -- Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS PP-ASEL Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG |
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![]() "ShawnD2112" wrote in message ... I'd be interested to know where those statistics come from (and please don't quote the NRA as a credible source). But HCI, CDC, CNN, ABC, CBS, etc., are a credible sources? In case you haven't noticed, the NRA studies usually refer to GOVERNMENT sources. That means they're not too friendly to their to begin with.... |
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![]() "ShawnD2112" wrote in message ... I'd be interested to know where those statistics come from (and please don't quote the NRA as a credible source). I can guarantee that there have been several INDEPENDANT studies all reaching that conclusion inclduding several that are normally quite HOSTILE to the NRA (ABC News for one...). So...when he proves his point will you change your mind, or your diaper? I'll bet you evade it, spin it, or ignore it. Shawn "Wdtabor" wrote in message ... In article , "Paul Sengupta" writes: As pointed out, gun crime only really affects those "in or related to the business". The general population can go about their business without even thinking that anyone else has a gun. Before or after. You have to realise that the way of life is different over here. Yes, it is. Strongarm robberies, home invasion robberies, assualt and battery, and stranger rape are far more common than here in the states. Don -- Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS PP-ASEL Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG |
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![]() "Wdtabor" wrote in message ... In article , "Paul Sengupta" writes: As pointed out, gun crime only really affects those "in or related to the business". The general population can go about their business without even thinking that anyone else has a gun. Before or after. You have to realise that the way of life is different over here. Yes, it is. Strongarm robberies, home invasion robberies, assualt and battery, and stranger rape are far more common than here in the states. Don Don't think so. This is quoted from a Home Office Report (Like Justice Dept) a firearm offence is any offence in which a firearm is 'used', whether fired, used as a blunt instrument or in a threat. Two thirds of these offences (6950), involved the firearm being used as a 'threat', but in around 17% (1750) the firearm was fired at a person and an injury resulted. Three quarters of these cases the injury was slight, but in one quarter it was more serious, including 80 incidents where the injury proved fatal (down from 95 recorded in 2001-2). Nearly two thirds of firearms offences occurred in just three metropolitan forces, The Metropolitan Police, Greater Manchester Police and West Midlands Police. In most parts of England and Wales the incidence of firearm offences is very low, and the chances of becoming a victim of a shooting are very low. The risk of a fatal shooting in England and Wales is still one of the lowest in the world. http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_02/pdf/1sectionone.pdf |
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![]() "Dave" wrote in message ... "Wdtabor" wrote in message ... In article , "Paul Sengupta" writes: As pointed out, gun crime only really affects those "in or related to the business". The general population can go about their business without even thinking that anyone else has a gun. Before or after. You have to realise that the way of life is different over here. Yes, it is. Strongarm robberies, home invasion robberies, assualt and battery, and stranger rape are far more common than here in the states. Don Don't think so. This is quoted from a Home Office Report (Like Justice Dept) a firearm offence is any offence in which a firearm is 'used', whether fired, used as a blunt instrument or in a threat. Two thirds of these offences (6950), involved the firearm being used as a 'threat', but in around 17% (1750) the firearm was fired at a person and an injury resulted. Three quarters of these cases the injury was slight, but in one quarter it was more serious, including 80 incidents where the injury proved fatal (down from 95 recorded in 2001-2). Nearly two thirds of firearms offences occurred in just three metropolitan forces, The Metropolitan Police, Greater Manchester Police and West Midlands Police. In most parts of England and Wales the incidence of firearm offences is very low, and the chances of becoming a victim of a shooting are very low. The risk of a fatal shooting in England and Wales is still one of the lowest in the world. http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_02/pdf/1sectionone.pdf Murder Victims USA by Weapon, 1998-2002 Weapons 1998 1999 2000 20011 2002 Total 14,209 13,011 13,230 14,061 14,054 Total firearms: 9,220 8,480 8,661 8,890 9,369 Handguns 7,405 6,658 6,778 6,931 7,176 Rifles 546 400 411 386 480 Shotguns 626 531 485 511 476 Other guns 16 92 53 59 74 Firearms, type not stated 627 799 934 1,003 1,163 Knives or cutting instruments 1,890 1,712 1,782 1,831 1,767 Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) 750 756 617 680 666 Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)2 959 885 927 961 933 Poison 6 11 8 12 23 Explosives 10 0 9 4 11 Fire 132 133 134 109 104 Narcotics 33 26 20 37 48 Drowning 28 28 15 23 18 Strangulation 213 190 166 153 143 Asphyxiation 99 106 92 116 103 Other weapons or weapons not stated 869 684 799 1,245 869 |
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