The President's Space Initiative Speech

Hopefully it is a sign that cast-in-concrete blind partisan support is
finally giving way to some real *discussion* of issues.

On the contrary, many of the posts opposing the President's space initiative
have been filled with political invective, and an almost palpable loathing
of Mr. Bush.

I'd say this is a sign that nothing has changed, and real *discussion* is
illusory.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:07:31 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

Hopefully it is a sign that cast-in-concrete blind partisan support is
finally giving way to some real *discussion* of issues.

On the contrary, many of the posts opposing the President's space initiative
have been filled with political invective, and an almost palpable loathing
of Mr. Bush.

I'd say this is a sign that nothing has changed, and real *discussion* is
illusory.


I have a feeling if it had been Gore proposing exactly the same thing,
there would be golf claps all around from that crowd instead.

Pre-speech AP poll..................

"Just over half of Democrats' opposed the plan by "the United States."
Once it was identified as a "Bush administration" plan, Democrats
opposed it by a 2-to-1 margin."

There are real problems in that party I cannot fathom personally.
There is definitely a near pathological desperate hatred that defies
logic most of the time. This is not a partisan thing, it is giving
NASA the attention that it has desperately needed for decades.
Jeez JFK sent us to the moon for crying out loud.


"For I dipt into the future, far as human eye could see,
Saw the Vision of the world, and all the wonder that would be"
-Tennyson

In article , Mutts
writes:


I have a feeling if it had been Gore proposing exactly the same thing,
there would be golf claps all around from that crowd instead.

Pre-speech AP poll..................

"Just over half of Democrats' opposed the plan by "the United States."
Once it was identified as a "Bush administration" plan, Democrats
opposed it by a 2-to-1 margin."

There are real problems in that party I cannot fathom personally.
There is definitely a near pathological desperate hatred that defies
logic most of the time. This is not a partisan thing, it is giving
NASA the attention that it has desperately needed for decades.
Jeez JFK sent us to the moon for crying out loud.


EIther Matlin or A****er advised Ronald Reagan, "Never interupt your opponent
when he is busy destroying himself."

If we just sit quietly till November and let them keep it up, the Democrat
Party will cease to be a factor in US politics for the remainder of our
lifetimes.

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

"Mutts" wrote in message
...

There are real problems in that party I cannot fathom personally.
There is definitely a near pathological desperate hatred that defies
logic most of the time.

Which party, and which recent time period, are you talking about? It's an
equal opportunity affliction.

In article ,
says...

"Mutts" wrote in message
.. .

There are real problems in that party I cannot fathom personally.
There is definitely a near pathological desperate hatred that defies
logic most of the time.

Which party, and which recent time period, are you talking about? It's an
equal opportunity affliction.



Here are some hints...............

The party that currently does NOT control the Senate, the House, the White
House, the majority of governorships, the majority of the 10 major
big state governorships. The party that could not beat Jeb
Bush in Florida with a major clintonite. The party that
had one of its governors booted out of California in an embarrasing
landslide recall. The party that when its former president and vice president
campaign for someone they usually lose. The party that has had recent
defections to the other party. The party that all its a major presidential
candidates would lose to the current president by double digits in major
polls. Of those candidates, many have had to retract bizarre accusations a
day or two after making them. The party that when they gather together
under internet organizations or have ex-vice presidents give speeches
to the faithful usually resort to some kind of excessive namecalling and
hateful rhetoric. The party that turned a bi-partisan memorial to one of their
fallen into a political rally for themselves. The party that would have won
the white house if thier candidate had won his *home* state.

Im not a member of any political party ok, yes I am right wing on most
things. All partys have problems and are imperfect of course, all are
guilty of the same things at one time or another to varying degrees. All
partys have hard times. But the above are indeed serious indications
something major is wrong.

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(Mutts) writes:


Im not a member of any political party ok, yes I am right wing on most
things. All partys have problems and are imperfect of course, all are
guilty of the same things at one time or another to varying degrees. All
partys have hard times. But the above are indeed serious indications
something major is wrong.



We're waiting for you.

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--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

Jay Honeck wrote:
Hopefully it is a sign that cast-in-concrete blind partisan support is
finally giving way to some real *discussion* of issues.


On the contrary, many of the posts opposing the President's space initiative
have been filled with political invective, and an almost palpable loathing
of Mr. Bush.

I'd say this is a sign that nothing has changed, and real *discussion* is
illusory.


If that is so, then it is too bad.

But we can fault the media on this one, too.

Image has replaced substance, and once a politician's image is "liked",
or "disliked", the details of his/her policies no longer matter.

what you don't realize here, jay, is that bush doomed his visionary
project from the start, exactly the same way he doomed "no child left
behind".

nasa has approximately an $11bn budget currently, and he promised that
he would ask congress for another $1bn, spread out over the next five
years, to fund this initiative. that's $200m a year. WHOOPITYDOO.

your man is playing you, and you don't even see it.

%ian

Jay Honeck wrote:
Hopefully it is a sign that cast-in-concrete blind partisan support is
finally giving way to some real *discussion* of issues.


On the contrary, many of the posts opposing the President's space initiative
have been filled with political invective, and an almost palpable loathing
of Mr. Bush.

I'd say this is a sign that nothing has changed, and real *discussion* is
illusory.

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:23:47 -0700, Enefesdi Varspooli Bhootpalamdi
wrote:

what you don't realize here, jay, is that bush doomed his visionary
project from the start, exactly the same way he doomed "no child left
behind".

nasa has approximately an $11bn budget currently, and he promised that
he would ask congress for another $1bn, spread out over the next five
years, to fund this initiative. that's $200m a year. WHOOPITYDOO.

your man is playing you, and you don't even see it.


As shuttle and ISS ramp down, where do you think those moneys
will go?

Learn...learn...learn...learn.......
Alot of thought has gone into the Bush plan.
If you dont like Bush fine, but dont beat up this plan
just because of that.
Weve got a very good shot at this.

Beyond the Moon: Inside Bush's space plan
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=915

Keith Cowing runs Nasa Watch web page.
http://www.nasawatch.com/
He worked at NASA once and he is a Democrat if that
makes you feel better. He is an expert on NASA politics
and budgetary issues.