Does anyone know if Wesley Clark was ever a pilot?

"R.Hubbell" wrote:

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 01:25:56 GMT Jonathan Goodish wrote:

In article ,
"R.Hubbell" wrote:
But the country will never be secure and so they will do those
things that are most visible to the masses.

BTW Clark seems like a very solid guy. Military guy with compassion
and sensibility and intelligence.


He's a guy who solidly can't decide what he believes. Iraq has WMD's in
front of Congress and a regime change is a must, but on the campaign
trail he appears to be contradicting himself. That type of thing seems

Iraq had WMDs, we sold them to Iraq. Did you miss that part out
of convenience or just not paying attention?

Why not read the transcripts your self:

http://armedservices.house.gov/schedules/2002.html

to be going around, though, since Howard Dean becomes a big Christian
when he's south of the Mason-Dixon line but isn't so much of a Christian
when he comes back north.

Well Dubya didn't bother with all that during his campaign, he knew his
Dad and his brother would pull out the win for him.

Yeah right. I'll bet it was the black helicopters too, right?

Bottom line is that the integrity of both men is questionable.

The bottom line is that Wesley Clark has more integrity in his little
toe than Dubya could ever hope to have.

Keep dreaming. Dubya says what he does and does what he says. Wesley Clark swings
his positions around like a human weathervane in a storm. One minute he's for
disarming Saddam with force and knows that Iraq had weapons capable of causing
mass destructive, the next he says he never was. Unfortunately for him, his quotes
are in the congressional record, and even the audio/video exists.

On taxes: "Mr. Clark's "reform" is essentially an updated version of the tax
jujitsu that Candidate Clinton offered back in 1992. Promise to raise taxes only on
the upper middle class and wealthy, while offering to cut taxes on a slew of
"middle-class families." Once Mr. Clinton took office, you may painfully recall,
the middle-class tax cut vanished and everyone got socked with some kind of tax
hike.

"We've been waiting a long time for another Democrat to grab the mantle of tax
reform the way Bill Bradley and Dick Gephardt did back in the 1980s, so we studied
Wesley Clark's proposal on Monday with interest. The kindest thing we can say about
it is that we sure hope the retired general knows more about war than he does about
taxes.
....
The major difference today is that Mr. Clark is proposing to raise marginal
income-tax rates even higher than Mr. Clinton did. He'd not only repeal the Bush
tax cuts, thus restoring the top Clinton marginal rate of 39.6%, but he'd pile on
another five-point rate surcharge on incomes of more than $1 million.

Yes, friends, the old "millionaire surtax" ploy. The last time we roasted this
chestnut was also in 1992, except that once Mr. Clinton took office the definition
of millionaire became anyone making more than $250,000. Mr. Clark is proposing to
raise the top marginal rate on income to 44.6%--or about 46.6% counting the current
exemption and deduction phase-outs--higher than anytime since the pre-1986 rate of
50% when there were many more tax loopholes. And Mr. Clark keeps hinting that
Howard Dean is unelectable in November."
WSJ 1/7/2004

""President Bush and Tony Blair should be proud of their resolve in the face of so
much doubt." -Wesley Clark op-ed London Times 10 April 2003

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:31:52 -0500 Lisa Hughes wrote:



"R.Hubbell" wrote:

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 01:25:56 GMT Jonathan Goodish wrote:

In article ,
"R.Hubbell" wrote:
But the country will never be secure and so they will do those
things that are most visible to the masses.

BTW Clark seems like a very solid guy. Military guy with compassion
and sensibility and intelligence.


He's a guy who solidly can't decide what he believes. Iraq has WMD's in
front of Congress and a regime change is a must, but on the campaign
trail he appears to be contradicting himself. That type of thing seems

Iraq had WMDs, we sold them to Iraq. Did you miss that part out
of convenience or just not paying attention?

Why not read the transcripts your self:

http://armedservices.house.gov/schedules/2002.html

to be going around, though, since Howard Dean becomes a big Christian
when he's south of the Mason-Dixon line but isn't so much of a Christian
when he comes back north.

Well Dubya didn't bother with all that during his campaign, he knew his
Dad and his brother would pull out the win for him.

Yeah right. I'll bet it was the black helicopters too, right?



That's a funny response. If there were any helicopters the wouldn't have
been black, that's too obvious. Yeah it's just a coincidence that his
brother was the governor of the state in question.




Bottom line is that the integrity of both men is questionable.

The bottom line is that Wesley Clark has more integrity in his little
toe than Dubya could ever hope to have.

Keep dreaming. Dubya says what he does and does what he says. Wesley Clark swings



Dubya does what his handlers tell him to say. Heck the only thing he wants out
the office is to make sure he gets even for his Dad. I hope it wasn't anyone
you loved that he sent over to do his dirty work.




his positions around like a human weathervane in a storm. One minute he's for
disarming Saddam with force and knows that Iraq had weapons capable of causing
mass destructive, the next he says he never was. Unfortunately for him, his quotes
are in the congressional record, and even the audio/video exists.


Yeah read it for yourself http://armedservices.house.gov/schedules/2002.html

Of course he knows that he had WMDs the U.S. sold them to him. I guess you missed
that too. Lots of people seem to forget things. Little details that happened
long ago.



On taxes: "Mr. Clark's "reform" is essentially an updated version of the tax
jujitsu that Candidate Clinton offered back in 1992. Promise to raise taxes only on
the upper middle class and wealthy, while offering to cut taxes on a slew of
"middle-class families." Once Mr. Clinton took office, you may painfully recall,
the middle-class tax cut vanished and everyone got socked with some kind of tax
hike.


So you don't like to have to pay taxes? So Dubya's plan is to sign every single
spending bill since in office and not raise taxes. A 5 year old can figure that
won't work. But I guess, like global warming, we'll let future generations
sort it all out. We're too busy settling scores and acting as the global
sociopath.



"We've been waiting a long time for another Democrat to grab the mantle of tax
reform the way Bill Bradley and Dick Gephardt did back in the 1980s, so we studied
Wesley Clark's proposal on Monday with interest. The kindest thing we can say about
it is that we sure hope the retired general knows more about war than he does about
taxes.
...
The major difference today is that Mr. Clark is proposing to raise marginal
income-tax rates even higher than Mr. Clinton did. He'd not only repeal the Bush
tax cuts, thus restoring the top Clinton marginal rate of 39.6%, but he'd pile on
another five-point rate surcharge on incomes of more than $1 million.


Good! The country needs better security and cleaner air and water. We need to
increase education spending too.



Yes, friends, the old "millionaire surtax" ploy. The last time we roasted this
chestnut was also in 1992, except that once Mr. Clinton took office the definition
of millionaire became anyone making more than $250,000. Mr. Clark is proposing to
raise the top marginal rate on income to 44.6%--or about 46.6% counting the current
exemption and deduction phase-outs--higher than anytime since the pre-1986 rate of
50% when there were many more tax loopholes. And Mr. Clark keeps hinting that
Howard Dean is unelectable in November."
WSJ 1/7/2004

There's no shortage of loopholes. And it's time to lessen the current tax inequality
that exists here.


""President Bush and Tony Blair should be proud of their resolve in the face of so
much doubt." -Wesley Clark op-ed London Times 10 April 2003

That's a nice thing to say. They should be proud of their resolve. But the will
have to see the truth come out about the whole thing. Then we will really see
how their resolve holds up.


R. Hubbell

"R.Hubbell" wrote:

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:31:52 -0500 Lisa Hughes wrote:



"R.Hubbell" wrote:

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 01:25:56 GMT Jonathan Goodish wrote:

In article ,
"R.Hubbell" wrote:
But the country will never be secure and so they will do those
things that are most visible to the masses.

BTW Clark seems like a very solid guy. Military guy with compassion
and sensibility and intelligence.


He's a guy who solidly can't decide what he believes. Iraq has WMD's in
front of Congress and a regime change is a must, but on the campaign
trail he appears to be contradicting himself. That type of thing seems

Iraq had WMDs, we sold them to Iraq. Did you miss that part out
of convenience or just not paying attention?

Why not read the transcripts your self:

http://armedservices.house.gov/schedules/2002.html

to be going around, though, since Howard Dean becomes a big Christian
when he's south of the Mason-Dixon line but isn't so much of a Christian
when he comes back north.

Well Dubya didn't bother with all that during his campaign, he knew his
Dad and his brother would pull out the win for him.

Yeah right. I'll bet it was the black helicopters too, right?

That's a funny response. If there were any helicopters the wouldn't have
been black, that's too obvious. Yeah it's just a coincidence that his
brother was the governor of the state in question.

And where is your evidence that it was not a coinidence? Citation? Heck, Gore
couldn't even carry his own home state, I'll bet that was the fault of a Bush brother
too, right? Even such rags as the NY Times and the Washington post counted the same
ballots and came to the same conclusion. But you're still stuck in 2000.

Bottom line is that the integrity of both men is questionable.

The bottom line is that Wesley Clark has more integrity in his little
toe than Dubya could ever hope to have.

Keep dreaming. Dubya says what he does and does what he says. Wesley Clark swings

Dubya does what his handlers tell him to say. Heck the only thing he wants out
the office is to make sure he gets even for his Dad.

Citation? Proof? Evidence? Common sense? If you think Dubya is dumb, with a
degree from Yale, and a MBA from Harvard, what do you think of his opponent, with his
failing out of Law Schoold and DIVINITY school after earning a lower undergrad GPA than
Dubya. You really have to work hard to fail out of divinity school.....

I hope it wasn't anyone
you loved that he sent over to do his dirty work.

Yes the dirty work of defending the United States of America. And yes, we are very proud
of our son for doing so in the United States Air Force. What have you done lately? And
yeah, the Democratic party memo suggesting strategies for disqualifying military votes in
Florida in 2000 was very nice.

By the way, what did you consider Clinton's attacks on Haiti, Serbia, Kosovo, Baghdad,
Somalia, and aspirin factories? Everytime he found himself in a jam....

his positions around like a human weathervane in a storm. One minute he's for
disarming Saddam with force and knows that Iraq had weapons capable of causing
mass destructive, the next he says he never was. Unfortunately for him, his quotes
are in the congressional record, and even the audio/video exists.

Yeah read it for yourself http://armedservices.house.gov/schedules/2002.html

Of course he knows that he had WMDs the U.S. sold them to him. I guess you missed
that too. Lots of people seem to forget things. Little details that happened
long ago.

And please provide a citation for a respected unbiased source that tell us that Clark was
referring to anything the "US had sold."




On taxes: "Mr. Clark's "reform" is essentially an updated version of the tax
jujitsu that Candidate Clinton offered back in 1992. Promise to raise taxes only on
the upper middle class and wealthy, while offering to cut taxes on a slew of
"middle-class families." Once Mr. Clinton took office, you may painfully recall,
the middle-class tax cut vanished and everyone got socked with some kind of tax
hike.

So you don't like to have to pay taxes? So Dubya's plan is to sign every single
spending bill since in office and not raise taxes. A 5 year old can figure that
won't work.

Not if that 5 year old understood macroeconomics and realized that lower taxes has
increased federal tax revenue every single time it's been tried, starting with JFK's tax
cuts in 1961. Lower taxes, more revenue.

But I guess, like global warming, we'll let future generations
sort it all out. We're too busy settling scores and acting as the global
sociopath.

Oh, please tell me more about global warming. I really enjoyed those -35 degree F wind
chills this week. But I guess global "warming" caused that too! What a nice
religion. Yes the USA is the global sociopath, that's why we have so many mass graves of
tortured citizens. And rape rooms. And piles of lobbed of ears because their owners
failed to give allegiance to the Baathists.




"We've been waiting a long time for another Democrat to grab the mantle of tax
reform the way Bill Bradley and Dick Gephardt did back in the 1980s, so we studied
Wesley Clark's proposal on Monday with interest. The kindest thing we can say about
it is that we sure hope the retired general knows more about war than he does about
taxes.
...
The major difference today is that Mr. Clark is proposing to raise marginal
income-tax rates even higher than Mr. Clinton did. He'd not only repeal the Bush
tax cuts, thus restoring the top Clinton marginal rate of 39.6%, but he'd pile on
another five-point rate surcharge on incomes of more than $1 million.

Good! The country needs better security and cleaner air and water. We need to
increase education spending too.

Huh? You made a non-sequitur leap that doesn't even make any sense. You went from the
marginal tax rate to "cleaner air and water." So tell me, what is the precise marginal
tax rate that will give us "clearn air and water????" Clark's plan is economic suicide
for the macro economy. The old "tax the rich" class war stuff, except the "rich" turns
out to be any guy with an alarm clock.... The tax base today continues to shrink and
shrink as the top 50% of wage earners are paying over 96% of the tax bill, but I guess
that's not enough for you.




Yes, friends, the old "millionaire surtax" ploy. The last time we roasted this
chestnut was also in 1992, except that once Mr. Clinton took office the definition
of millionaire became anyone making more than $250,000. Mr. Clark is proposing to
raise the top marginal rate on income to 44.6%--or about 46.6% counting the current
exemption and deduction phase-outs--higher than anytime since the pre-1986 rate of
50% when there were many more tax loopholes. And Mr. Clark keeps hinting that
Howard Dean is unelectable in November."
WSJ 1/7/2004

There's no shortage of loopholes. And it's time to lessen the current tax inequality
that exists here.

Then Clark's plan is the last one we would want.




""President Bush and Tony Blair should be proud of their resolve in the face of so
much doubt." -Wesley Clark op-ed London Times 10 April 2003

That's a nice thing to say. They should be proud of their resolve. But the will
have to see the truth come out about the whole thing. Then we will really see
how their resolve holds up.

Quite well. Quite well indeed, as even Clark says it is something they should be proud
of.

But keep up that fight man. Keep getting angry. Fight on!

(and keep those non-sequiturs coming too....they show you have a real good command of
things.)