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Could you please provide factual evidence that the system you have outlined
will make my children more successful and/or happy in life than had they
been educated otherwise?

Thanks.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in
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"Judah" wrote in message
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My kids are just starting in school. My son is in 3rd grade and my
daughter will start Kindergarden next fall.

Please advise on how I can ensure that my children grasp the knowledge
presented to them.

1) Avoid public schools
2) Dig out all you can about the Montessori method
3) Find some good material about human epistemology
4) Find some good works on critical thinking
5) Find some good works about abstract thinking and concept formation
(note: this teaches children to make associations, rather then just
perform memorization)

There is more, but this should hold you for a year or so. Note, too,
that very little of this material is found in the conventional
literature of education.

If you need some sources, leave you email address.

Judah wrote in message . ..
Could you please provide factual evidence that the system you have outlined
will make my children more successful and/or happy in life than had they
been educated otherwise?

Thanks.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in
:


"Judah" wrote in message
...
My kids are just starting in school. My son is in 3rd grade and my
daughter will start Kindergarden next fall.

Please advise on how I can ensure that my children grasp the knowledge
presented to them.

1) Avoid public schools
2) Dig out all you can about the Montessori method
3) Find some good material about human epistemology
4) Find some good works on critical thinking
5) Find some good works about abstract thinking and concept formation
(note: this teaches children to make associations, rather then just
perform memorization)

There is more, but this should hold you for a year or so. Note, too,
that very little of this material is found in the conventional
literature of education.

If you need some sources, leave you email address.

Montessori method- God I can't believe some people still hang with
that method. Ok for the 80s but the world has moved on - but when you
are deperate or .....

"Jeb" wrote in message
om...

If you need some sources, leave your email address.

Montessori method- God I can't believe some people still hang with
that method. Ok for the 80s but the world has moved on -

Let's see:

The Prussian school model of Thomas Mann; 1840 -still in place
The Social Subjectivist education model of John Dewey; 1920 - still in place
The Look-Say rading methods; 1940's - still in place

Three disasters still going strong....but more money, more parental
involvement....

Montessori - developed in the 1920's; banned in Italy (Where it originated),
Germany and the Soviet Union (amongst others). Teaches the association
between concrete (tangible) items and the relationships to similar items.

but when you
are deperate or .....

So the human mind has evolved in the past 20 years?

Jeb, if you are more than 25 years old, I suggest you are obsolete and
should be converted into Soylent Green.



Sounds like the desperate (and half literate) or here is yourself.

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:28:42 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote:


The Look-Say rading methods; 1940's - still in place

It's spelled "reading" and most schools are teaching reading using
phonics now.

Some educational methods work well and don't need changing. Phonics
is one of those things. Schools kind of got away from it back in the
late '60's and '70's, developing something called "whole language",
which was presented as a better method without any testing actually
being done to see if it really was more effective or not. It wasn't,
and most educators now acknowledge that phonics, which is not new, is
by far the more effective method.

So just because the method may seem old doesn't mean it doesn't work.

Also, children tend to learn almost despite the method with which they
are taught. Smart kids learn. Children with attitudes, which they
inevitably pick up from their parents, often have trouble in schools.

Corky Scott

Corky Scott wrote:

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:28:42 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote:

The Look-Say rading methods; 1940's - still in place

It's spelled "reading" and most schools are teaching reading using
phonics now.

Some educational methods work well and don't need changing. Phonics
is one of those things. Schools kind of got away from it back in the
late '60's and '70's, developing something called "whole language",
which was presented as a better method without any testing actually
being done to see if it really was more effective or not. It wasn't,
and most educators now acknowledge that phonics, which is not new, is
by far the more effective method.

ACK!! I knew we would get into phonics/whole language sooner or later.
The sad truth is NEITHER is better for all students! Some kids can't
learn to read with whole language and need phonics. Others find phonics
frustrating and boring and do much better with whole language. Some of
the best reading systems I've seen use a combination of both (Reading
Mastery is one good one) in a structured fashion with old fashioned basal
readers!

Margy



So just because the method may seem old doesn't mean it doesn't work.

Also, children tend to learn almost despite the method with which they
are taught. Smart kids learn. Children with attitudes, which they
inevitably pick up from their parents, often have trouble in schools.

Corky Scott

(Jeb) wrote:

Montessori method- God I can't believe some people still hang with
that method. Ok for the 80s but the world has moved on - but when you
are deperate or .....

My sister has seen remarkable success with her kids in a Montessori
school. My niece is on track to enter a community college at age 15 or
so...

Rob

Rob Perkins wrote:

(Jeb) wrote:

Montessori method- God I can't believe some people still hang with
that method. Ok for the 80s but the world has moved on - but when you
are deperate or .....

My sister has seen remarkable success with her kids in a Montessori
school. My niece is on track to enter a community college at age 15 or
so...

Not always the best idea either. I've seen way too many kids who go off
to college at 14 or 15 and end up as social misfits. Make sure your niece
maintains contact with AGE APPROPRIATE peers. This is of course also very
hard to do as the kids the same age as your neice are "boring, dumb,
etc.". We were fortunate enough to have a school system that provided a
segregated program for advanced students starting in the 3rd grade. All
the "scary, smart" kids went to school together. They still behaved like
10 year olds, but it was a bit different. For example: When the girls
(5th grade) woke up in the cabin on the field trip SCREAMING about the
bugs walking over them the conversation quickly digressed into what type
of bug it was and how you could tell (with the approprite field guide
coming from someones backpack). She stayed in high school full time and
graduated high school with 24 AP credits, but still did all the high
school stuff (plays, proms, color guard, etc.)

Margy