Kerry is a pilot?

Did we lose because of the military rotting from within? Was
Kerry an example of this?

Jay, you've truly reached a new low with this statement.

You seem to think I meant this question in a derogatory sort of way, when,
in fact, it was an honest, open-ended question.

Seeing a member of the armed forces actively protesting an on-going war (as
Kerry supposedly did while in uniform) seems to fit the definition of a
military "rotting from within." I was too young to fully appreciate the
Viet Nam debacle -- I was 15 when South Viet Nam fell -- but this action by
a decorated war "hero" would certainly indicate to me that morale had become
a significant problem for the U.S. military.

What else would you call it?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
"Bob Fry" wrote in message
...
"Jay Honeck" writes:


I could suggest you read, say, "A Rumor of War"...but I won't. You
prefer to remain in a kinda Disneyland world, all fantasy and no
reality.

"Jay Honeck" writes:

Did we lose because of the military rotting from within? Was
Kerry an example of this?

Jay, you've truly reached a new low with this statement.

You seem to think I meant this question in a derogatory sort of way, when,
in fact, it was an honest, open-ended question.

If that's the case, then I apologize.

I was 18 in 1973 so while I got a draft card and draft number they
were only calling the first 20-30 numbers when it was my turn. I
avoided service and didn't volunteer. I am not the type that does
well under authority ;-).

I knew of guys who went over there and came back messed up...a good
buddy of mine would tell me of how he and his platoon would tramp
around the jungle, buddies by his side stepping on the occasional land
mine and getting a foot blown off...he got a purple heart but nothing
that bad. He died at age 51 of liver cancer--I think probably Agent
Orange. Another guy in the special forces turned into a killing
machine, started liking killing gooks, and they had to deny him a 4th
tour. He's still violent 35 years later. I went to school with lots
of Vietnam vets. I never knew anybody who thought Vietnam was good.

If the military was rotting it was from BS, gung-ho officers who
wanted everything by the book and took stupid risks with their
men to further their careers. It was from candy-ass politicians who
got their own sons out of danger and would neither support an all-out
effort against N. Vietnam to win, nor would admit their limited,
micro-managed war couldn't win until 50,000 good Americans died.

Hurray for Kerry for keeping his eyes and mind open while in-country,
learning, and having the guts to speak what he thought was the truth,
in or out of uniform. The last thing this country needs is more
mindless sheep for our keepers to lead to perdition.

On 29 Jan 2004 18:52:39 -0800 Bob Fry wrote:

"Jay Honeck" writes:

Did we lose because of the military rotting from within? Was
Kerry an example of this?

Jay, you've truly reached a new low with this statement.

You seem to think I meant this question in a derogatory sort of way, when,
in fact, it was an honest, open-ended question.

If that's the case, then I apologize.

I was 18 in 1973 so while I got a draft card and draft number they
were only calling the first 20-30 numbers when it was my turn. I
avoided service and didn't volunteer. I am not the type that does
well under authority ;-).

I knew of guys who went over there and came back messed up...a good
buddy of mine would tell me of how he and his platoon would tramp
around the jungle, buddies by his side stepping on the occasional land
mine and getting a foot blown off...he got a purple heart but nothing
that bad. He died at age 51 of liver cancer--I think probably Agent
Orange. Another guy in the special forces turned into a killing
machine, started liking killing gooks, and they had to deny him a 4th
tour. He's still violent 35 years later. I went to school with lots
of Vietnam vets. I never knew anybody who thought Vietnam was good.

If the military was rotting it was from BS, gung-ho officers who
wanted everything by the book and took stupid risks with their
men to further their careers. It was from candy-ass politicians who
got their own sons out of danger and would neither support an all-out
effort against N. Vietnam to win, nor would admit their limited,
micro-managed war couldn't win until 50,000 good Americans died.

Hurray for Kerry for keeping his eyes and mind open while in-country,
learning, and having the guts to speak what he thought was the truth,
in or out of uniform. The last thing this country needs is more
mindless sheep for our keepers to lead to perdition.


I'm applausing this post! People with guts to speak their mind are what
this country is all about. And those members of government that want to
try to initimidate anyone opposing them are unpatriotic.


R. Hubbell

In article ,
"R.Hubbell" wrote:

I'm applausing this post! People with guts to speak their mind are what
this country is all about. And those members of government that want to
try to initimidate anyone opposing them are unpatriotic.

applauding only posts you agree with is hardly something to be praised.

--
Bob Noel

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:28:18 GMT Bob Noel wrote:

In article ,
"R.Hubbell" wrote:

I'm applausing this post! People with guts to speak their mind are what
this country is all about. And those members of government that want to
try to initimidate anyone opposing them are unpatriotic.

applauding only posts you agree with is hardly something to be praised.


Is this Dubya? This is a great Bushism. Bravo!


R. Hubbell


--
Bob Noel

In article NufSb.181637$xy6.871605@attbi_s02, "Jay Honeck"
writes:


Seeing a member of the armed forces actively protesting an on-going war (as
Kerry supposedly did while in uniform) seems to fit the definition of a
military "rotting from within."

Kerry's military service was honorable, it is the rest of his life that is
embarrassing.

Ann Coulter, Our Lady of the Poison Pen, sums him up nicely

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/a...20040129.shtml

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

"Wdtabor" wrote in message
...
In article NufSb.181637$xy6.871605@attbi_s02, "Jay Honeck"
writes:


Seeing a member of the armed forces actively protesting an on-going war
(as
Kerry supposedly did while in uniform) seems to fit the definition of a
military "rotting from within."

Kerry's military service was honorable, it is the rest of his life that is
embarrassing.

Ann Coulter, Our Lady of the Poison Pen, sums him up nicely

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/a...20040129.shtml


Her summary point:
Kerry clearly has no experience dealing with problems of typical Americans
since he is a cad and a gigolo living in the lap of other men's money

If we're going to talk about the candidates' pampered pasts, and their
understanding of typical Americans, can we talk about the coke-head frat-boy
drunk who couldn't even make money in the oil business despite having a
bucketful of bin Laden money? Or is that still off limits?

-- David Brooks

In article , "David Brooks"
writes:


Kerry's military service was honorable, it is the rest of his life that is
embarrassing.

Ann Coulter, Our Lady of the Poison Pen, sums him up nicely

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/a...20040129.shtml


Her summary point:
Kerry clearly has no experience dealing with problems of typical Americans
since he is a cad and a gigolo living in the lap of other men's money


Well, let's not leave out the financial deception he is using to evade the very
same Campaign Finance laws he advocated.

He is supposedly paying for his own campaign by mortgaging personal property,
thus not being limited by the caps on contributions. His 6 million dollar loan
would require payments of over $360K per year, but his income is only about
$142K. So the truth is that his wife is giving him an allowance to run for
president.

Just a gigolo
everywhere I go
people know the part
I'm playing

Paid for every dance
selling each romance
every night some heart
betraying

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

"David Brooks" wrote in message
...

If we're going to talk about the candidates' pampered pasts, and their
understanding of typical Americans, can we talk about the coke-head
frat-boy
drunk who couldn't even make money in the oil business despite having a
bucketful of bin Laden money?

Kerry is a member of the same frat.

Hi,

Recently, David Brooks posted:

If we're going to talk about the candidates' pampered pasts, and their
understanding of typical Americans, can we talk about the coke-head
frat-boy drunk who couldn't even make money in the oil business
despite having a bucketful of bin Laden money? Or is that still off
limits?

Hey! He made a small fortune in the oil biz. Never mind that he did so by
starting with a large one.

Neil