OT (sort of): CBS revisited

"Jim Fisher" wrote in message
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"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
I don't get it. If he doesn't watch that crap, how'd he see the breast
in
question?

'Case he was watching the SuperBowl

"That crap" in my post to which you replied referred to the Super Bowl
halftime show. You replied that your son doesn't watch that crap. But
somehow he saw the breast in question. Which means he must have been
watching that crap.

And, to be clear, this isn't about an exposed breast. It's about an
attack - right in my living room - on America's version of morality and
witnessed by my little boy.

There was no attack. 9/11, that's an attack. In any case, the exposed
breast was that least of the entire "attack" you've perceived. If the
exposed breast was an attack, then the entire halftime show is an all-out
war.

You are exposing your obtuse ignorance again, Pete. Of COURSE kids
care
about that crap!

I didn't say they wouldn't.

Umm, I think your words were "They would not care . . ." but perhaps my
memory is not what it used to be.

Note the use of the future perfect tense, to indicate a hypothetical
situation postulated by the following clause beginning with "if". You are
claiming kids will always react in this way, regardless of upbringing, while
my comment was respect to how they would behave given a different
upbringing.

And the parents present in the room didn't react at all at the time. We
were all too shocked and ****ed off. The halftime show went from bad
(disgracing the US flag) to worse (crotch grabbing) then to shocking
(Janet's goods).

And yet, you left it on, and allowed the children to remain in the room and
watch. But you don't get indignant until the breast comes out? Absurd.

In any case, I'm not talking about how you all reacted to this isolated
incident. I'm talking about what you teach your children generally. Years
of attudinal education led up to this and your reaction as well as the kids'
reaction.

It has absolutely everything to do with it, silly! How old is the kid?
What did he think of the halftime show, Pete? Y'all did watch it, right?

No, we don't watch that crap. Please keep up.

No, of course you don't. But having one sure changes most folks view on
silly things like morality and virtue. You are obviously an exception to
that.

If your morality and virtue changed when you had a child, then YOU are the
exception. Most people teach their own children the very same things they
learned. Many people make a show of "cleaning up their act" when they have
kids, but it's just a veneer and their kids still wind up with all the same
character faults that their parents have. They are better at learning than
adults are at hiding.

My, that is an absolutely brilliant observation, Peter. The fact that the
United States has a slightly different set of societal rules from other
countries has never occurred to me.

Well, that explains a lot. Your belief that children simply inherently act
one way or the other, for example, and that how they are raised cannot
affect that. Perhaps you should open your eyes a little more.

So how would you have felt if ol' Justin and Janet stripped naked and
"went
at it" in front of your kid right there on television, Pete? Just
curious.

Aren't you listening? We don't watch that crap.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote
If your morality and virtue changed when you had a child, then YOU are the
exception. Most people teach their own children the very same things they
learned. Many people make a show of "cleaning up their act" when they
have
kids, but it's just a veneer and their kids still wind up with all the
same
character faults that their parents have. They are better at learning
than
adults are at hiding.


I don't think so. I know many parents, myself included, who changed their
lifestyles when faced with the responsibility of parenthood. I suspect my
parents did the same thing. Just my guess, but I bet a lot of people
experience parenthood as a life-altering event.

Michael

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 11:10:21 -0800, "Peter Duniho"
wrote in Message-Id:
:

Note the use of the future perfect tense, to indicate a hypothetical
situation postulated by the following clause beginning with "if".

Was that in the subjunctive mood? :-)

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
You replied that your son doesn't watch that crap. But
somehow he saw the breast in question. Which means he must have been
watching that crap.

Yeah, I didn't think you got it the first and second time. I ain't
explaining it again, Pete. You'll just have to skip that question on the
test.

the exposed
breast was that least of the entire "attack" you've perceived. If the
exposed breast was an attack, then the entire halftime show is an all-out
war.

By golly, I think you might just be getting the point! I sure hope that it
is the beginning of a war. You may not give a damn about the kind of lessons
being taught to your kid but I damn sure do.

Note the use of the future perfect tense, to indicate a hypothetical
situation postulated by the following clause beginning with "if". You are
claiming kids will always react in this way, regardless of upbringing,
while
my comment was respect to how they would behave given a different
upbringing.

shwew Damn! I read that twice and it still went right over my
close-minded little head, Pete! Do you write for the FAA on the side?

And yet, you left it on, and allowed the children to remain in the room
and
watch. But you don't get indignant until the breast comes out? Absurd.

Naw, I'd call it normal. I'm fairly slow to anger and quick with
retribution. By the time Justin violently ripped Janet's clothes off, it
was too late.

In any case, I'm not talking about how you all reacted to this isolated
incident.

You aren't? Okay, no fair. You can't switch gears without telling me.
Hate it when that happens.

If your morality and virtue changed when you had a child, then YOU are the
exception.

Hmm. You have a point. My point, however, was that before I had a kid, the
spectacle of Janet being forcefully declothed on stage would have been
laughed at, applauded and even celebrated or simply dismissed ("It's just a
nip, man!) - much as you are doing now. Having a kid changed (focused?)
that view along with many others.

Something you obviously wouldn't understand.

Well, that explains a lot. Your belief that children simply inherently
act
one way or the other, for example, and that how they are raised cannot
affect that.

What?? Where the hell did that come from! You've lost it, buddy.

So how would you have felt if ol' Justin and Janet stripped naked and
"went
at it" in front of your kid right there on television, Pete? Just
curious.

Aren't you listening? We don't watch that crap.

I see. Avoidance, eh? That's a handy tool in the pattern. Makes you a
coward in a debate, though.

Answer the question.

--
Jim Fisher

"Jim Fisher" wrote in message
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Aren't you listening? We don't watch that crap.

I see. Avoidance, eh? That's a handy tool in the pattern. Makes you a
coward in a debate, though.

You don't get it. For me, it's a non-issue simply because I would not have
been in that situation. You were foolish enough to let your kids watch all
the crap that preceded the exposed breast, in spite of the fact that every
minute before that was every bit as offensive as the exposed breast.

What difference would it have made if Janet and Justin had been naked? Even
clothed, their behavior was every bit as offensive.

Answer the question.

Your question is stupid. It's like you asked me how would I feel if, while
at a strip club with my son, two of the strippers started performing
cunnilingus on each other.

Pete